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Recordings old and new

By Oz_Media ·
Being in a business with extremely high end audio products, I have noticed that there are few to no recent recordings that actually display high resolution, soundstaging, transparency etc.

While it appears that music quality is of the utmost these days, nothing is cleaner than digital they say, I have actually not seen a quality recording for ages.

In the old vinyl days, Chesky recordings were the tops. Nobody had ever recreated audio the way he and his team did. His high resolution recordings, 96kHz/24bit, have yet to be topped....that I have heard.

Have people just simply forgotten about real audio due to the low grade trollop we are force fed these days, or do people actually feel that today's recordings offer a high enough standard to show off your system?

Is it perhaps that our ears are being desensitized and having lower expectations?

Are big box stores, blowing out Mexican made Polk speakers, now considered quality audio retailers?

Do people who buy a $4000.00 plasma TV and then spend $200.00 on "surround sound in a box" actually feel they are getting their money's worth?

Maybe the younger generation has never heard quality audio and they feel that what is around now is suitable?

Why, with all of the technological advancements around today, is it harder to find an audiophile quality recording amongst the trash?

To this day, the best recordings I've heard include just about anything by Telarc, Chesky recordings (circa 1985)and the old B7W audiophile tracks (they did two pretty good jazz disks) and of course, Dire Straights Bros. In Arms, which is still one of my favorite demo disks, and one of the most dynamic too.

Perhaps THAT is the issue, most high res recordings are of Jazz or soloists singing acappella, not exactly the fodder of today's mainstream. Then again, most of you know I am into heavy metal and have managed some pretty hard core bands, but I still appreciate quality audio when I am looking to have my ears sweetened.

Does anyone here know of high quality recordings anymroe, or is it a lost art even in a far more advanced audio world.

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a bit off

by Oz_Media In reply to Is it really lost?

While I did detract from my intent somewhat, I was actually referring to teh quality of today's digital recordings compared to high res recordings from the past. Today's music doesn't even come close.

As far as old vs new equipment, I have managed a few guys who have taken on guitar deals from relatively unknowns. In the end you get a gyuitar that practically equals a classic, well built and very expensive guitar, but not with as much quality as before.

Whenit comes to Amplifiers (2 channel home or even surround receivers) quality today is not even remotely close to what it used ot be. The old test, "if it weighs a tonne it's worth a mint and sounds awesome" rings very true. Weight is offered by the transformers, no weight = masked audio, cheezy power colored to sound 'acceptable'... to some.

Mpney? I can go and buy an HK 680i for under $150.00. Made in the early 80's, the 680i puts out only 60WPC, but that will outperform todays 1200W Pioneer or even the new HK by a mile. Even the simplest, peasant ears, would hear a very noticable difference in presence and power at all volumes without distortion. There simply is no comparisson. Even high end like Cambridge or Rotel aren't as good as they used to be, you can buy a 20 year old amp for under $300.00 that outperforms one they made ths week. So high end/quality audio is actually affordable now, whereas new equipment offers bells and whistles but not clarity of sound at all volumes, why? No such thng as current anymroe, ever since the 80's and 90's pushed everyone to looking for wattage specs.

Ears, after touring with Judas Priest, nope they are not as good as they used to be. I remember working Iron Maiden in the 80's and having rining that didn't clear between shows, resulting in several weeks of "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" you get the picture. :)

During a Motorhead show, I was working at the front of the stage where I was standing beside Lemmy's bass cabs for nearly 30 minutes, couldn't hear for quite a while after that one either. You're right though in that gigging or even backlining is a lot easier on the ears than being front/side stage or at the mix board, especially these days where on stage monitors (especially ear monitors) actually work.

This doesn't mean I can't identify a bad recording or not be able to appreciate what real clean power sound like compared to todays garbage product lines.

Buy vintage, save a heap of money and end up with high quality sound. An HK870 AMP, new well over $1600.00 is now about $350.00 (if you can find one!!!) ad they are still at the top of the audio list and aree sought after.

I think people just get fooled into thinking new technology is better technology.

I did play drums for years, though mostly easy on the ears, sesion work to fix tracks after cuts were done. I did gig in outdoor festivals as a drummer but that's a **** of a lot easier to deal with without the resonance of a building.

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It's audio in general....

by gadgetgirl In reply to Recordings old and new

thanks Oz, I thought it was just me.

It seems to be both the quality of recordings, and the quality of equipment in the home.

Typical case in point: although Pa has industrial deafness, and Ma has tinnitus (yeah, makes for great conversations.....) they still like their music, and still go out sequence dancing every week. As they learn new dances, they want to practice, so at home, they put CD's on.....

Pa has been saying for years that some recordings are better than others, and some are actually *recorded* better than others (i.e. you CAN actually adjust the base and tone individually - successfully) In an effort to help both he and Ma, he invested in another sound set up, even though this meant ditching his old turntable integrated with his old stereo.

It hasn't worked. Not only does the new unit have limited volume, it insists on integrating the tone and bass lines; as Pa uses the bass line for the predominant dance beat, that's made life a little sticky, shall we say? Put it this way - I'm expecting to be told to look for a second hand unit on eBay, and when he gets it, the new one will be disposed of in the same way....

Funnily enough, I had a nice drive into work today, listening to the new Status Quo single, being released next week from their 33rd album... Hey! I can headbang and drive at the same time....

Love to know who was ringing that bell in my car all the way to work after that, though...


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The silence is deafening

by jdclyde In reply to It's audio in general....

Ah, gotta love my now constant companion, mr. ringing.

From years of working in loud shops (yes, I used ear plugs) and years of traveling with local bands (nothing major, but we DID open for some cool bands B-) ) there is some damage to the ears.

In general it doesn't bother me, until it is perfectly quiet. That is when the ringing starts and gets so loud I can't hear anything.

That is why I go to sleep to music. Usually something nice and soothing, like pantera..... ;\ A long time ago, I had found a "pillow speaker" which slipped inside your pillow case on the other side of the pillow, so you can hear it but your partner can't. Of course, when she would **** me off I would intentionally move my head so it wasn't covered....... ]:)

It really is the little things in life that mean so much!

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jd! - I saw this and thought of you!

by gadgetgirl In reply to The silence is deafening
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the new product by apple

by jdclyde In reply to jd! - I saw this and thou ...

Apple Computer announced today that it has developed a computer chip that can store and play high fidelity music in women's
breast implants.

The iTit will cost $499 or $599 depending on speaker size.

This is considered to be a major breakthrough because women have always complained about men staring at their breasts and not listening to them.

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I might have known..... <nt>

by gadgetgirl In reply to the new product by apple
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by jdclyde In reply to I might have known..... < ...

That is what I get for trying..... :0

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by gadgetgirl In reply to :0

well, you are trying.



j/k! couldn't resist!

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AHA!!! JD that's it!!

by Oz_Media In reply to the new product by apple

Women complain that nipples are not radio dials!!(or at least so I hear from other people who fidget like little boys in bed )

Little did they know we knew what was coming and were simply practicing, or hoping for teh FM-****.

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It really is the little things in life that mean so much!

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to The silence is deafening

JD you mean little things like Black Sabbath being played at 78 and Audio Assault Levels at 6.00 AM in the mourning with a pair of AR9's 3 inches from each ear being over driven by a real 800W per Chanel Amp?


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