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RED FLAG! Another member to avoid in Tech Q&A

By Oz_Media ·
The following 'peer' MDLNET@... is wasting time in Tch Q&A.

While posting an open question for IDEAS, and recieving SEVERAL answer that lead him/her to exactly the information requested, some tips on addressing issues etc. ALL answers were rejected and the question closed.

It was almost as open as "what is your favorite colour", and yet with the responses provided, non condescending, some offering information on specific products and others simply a HOW TO reply, the question was closed. The peer 'flagged' offered 4000 points for answers, got another 1000 for closing the question and from what I see (purely MY judgement here) all responses SHOULD be acceptable in the context of the question.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6239-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=168679

Profile shows 7 questions asked, one not answered ONE acceptable answer and the rest ALL rejected or left unrated.

RED CARD for THAT IT Department manager from California, god help those who have to work for this guy every day! Send him to the showers !

Now that we have this cool tagging system, we can actually list all these yahoos in a common TAG (thanks again TR) So I have started the following TAG set for just such cases we can list other similar instances and keep abreast of these RED FLAGGED 'peers' now.

"Red Flagged member, Poor Q&A activity, Open Questions"

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distinctions

by jck In reply to That's how a ref removes ...

ok...I'll spell it out:

You originally said:
"THey will red card and then ask the player to leave, I don't care how big you are, you certainly are nomatch fro the several hundred/thousand allied hooligans at a Premier game. Like I said, even the riot polics on horseback avoid that lot."

You make it sound like a large amount of people would riot if a fan was escorted from the stands by security. Plus, I've seen security at fixtures handling things. Police are there usually in numbers when there are assumed conflicts to occur (like with Portsmouth and Southampton having been recently, and 400 officers will be at the next match accordingly).

Riots are not that common in English football, and even most true fans don't look for a row when they go or start one over nothing. I think most people prefer to avoid violence, not partake in it. Thus, I draw from the "several hundred/thousand" to be an incredibly large number, say over 700. And, you imply that number would go ballistic if a fan were to be ejected.

I just saw that as absurd, especially after the fan physically attacks (with fist or implement of the game) a player on the pitch.

Then you cast association that football supporters alliance to be stronger because of fan loyalty in banding together in case of a fan ejection. My example of attire being worn was one example of how dedicated the fans are here, and emphasizing that my cousin and his pals don't get in fights over things like a fan ejection for a stupid action. They get in fights with other fans before, during, and after the game.

I agree...but concert crowds in America are not only usually lame, but they are highly inconsiderate of others and obnoxious during the event.

As for not jumping into a fight...well...maybe with the people you went to the events with. If you're really interested in going somewhere rowdy, I'll take you to a place that by its name you wouldn't suspect it: Miss Kitty's Hilltop. Not a "peeler joint"...just a bar. You look at someone wrong there, they will proceed to kick your arse and leave you for dead.

You also cast the image that fans here don't stick together. That's a two edged sword: 1) Do I give you examples of situations at World Series or Superbowl or hockey events? 2) Do I sit there and say "So it's admirable that everyone jumps into the situation that didn't involve them in the first place?" when a fan is removed for stupid activity.

Again...I never said I'd try to "shut up a rowdy fan"...my thought is at the point the throw something at someone on the pitch or assault them...they deserve to have the referee ask security to remove them. They would do the same to any player if their team didn't take them off first.

I don't wanna get into quoting FIFA and the FA rulebooks.

Point is: you cast the mold of "hooligans" out with "several hundred/thousand" and when the average seating of a premiership stadium is only about 36000 seats. That would mean around 3-5% of the crowd would just go into a riot over one idiot being thrown out. Even the biggest premiership is not 70000 capacity. I just think it's an over exaggeration of how the fans would react. Maybe the idiot fan and some of his friends and some locals would get involved over a fan throwing things on the pitch or hitting a player, but "several hundred/thousand"?

I think not. Maybe over an incredibly bad call that loses them a championship, but not over stupid action by a fan.

And as for the "one or two friends" comment...I only wish you'd have been at the Oklahoma/Texas college game I went to once. Horrible call lost Texas the game. So many fights broke out that the Dallas police didn't have enough handcuffs and patty wagons to haul people away. Trust me...large groups of Americans will fight. It's not just a British thing.

And, when you say things like:
"You'd soon lean the meaning of 'mate' in England. Not those you turned up with but EVERYONE that's on your side."

It contradicts you saying saying previously:
"I have neither referred to people in England in general or people at football games in general, but the football hooligans specifically. "

Because you are there casting that you are being specific to hooligans, but that "EVERYONE that's on your side" would join in...therefore marking them hooligans by your own terms.

Unless of course by "EVERYONE that's on your side", you meant everyone you are there with *plus* anyone who saw it that saw fit to jump in.

I do agree with you that the rows at the average football fixture in any of the major football countries in Europe are much larger and more violent than those on average in the USA.

I was going to travel to Italy once and go see a match with a girl I knew that lived in Perugia, but she said "I don't think you would go if you knew you can die."

I just think like all the riots and stuff you saw back when you lived there, I've seen the same thing at sporting events I've been to here in the USA as well. Of course, I didn't hang out with the "in crowd" or sit in box seats or anything. I rode in 70s/80s Maxi-vans and older cars. We sat in cheap seats. And, I saw plenty of large fights both in and out of stadiums...people drunk or not

And as for the pissing contest...it's not that...it's called...explaining. I tried to add some comical comparatives with the dialogue and such. But, I guess I don't get your humour and you don't get mine.

At least I tried to put in a winking smilie in there somewhere to reassure you it was meant in fun.

I'll stop kidding with you and only present facts from documented sources if I need to. Sorry I tried to kid with you like I perceived you were with me.

BTW...how's the track?

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Sarcasm is better

by Oz_Media In reply to That's how a ref removes ...

But if a little drier.

"You make it sound like a large amount of people would riot if a fan was escorted from the stands by security."

Actually in many cases they do, even if that's a small portiopn of a large crowd. As for the last time I saw a football game in Europe, about two years ago in Spain.

I do go back and forth a bit, not so much in recent years but in the late 90's it was at least once a year as I was back and forth with two bands a lot.

Hooligans do make up a large part of the crowd, from what I recall we weren't really discussing a security guard escorting someone out, we were discussing a referee throwing out fans as well as players, which most definitely wouldn't go over too well, epsecially after callng a penalty kick on their team.

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