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Resizing partitions in Win XP with Pointsec installed

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Is this possible?

The nearest answer I have found is to decrypt and uninstall Pointsec, resize partitions then reinstall Pointsec and re-crypt.

This is rather time consuming, and while the point does not come up too often it would be nice to just resize the partition and be done with it.

With Vista the disk manager permits you to resize partitions on the fly, even with Pointsec installed.

Any thoughts on this.

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Should mention

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that Acronis disk Director and Ubuntu do not work.

It isn’t recommended, going by this

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About File Systems/Volumes/OS Upgrades
Resizing Partitions and Using Disk Management Features/Utilities
Never use software that alters the workstation’s disk partitions when Pointsec PC is installed on the
workstation.
If you need to resize a partition, remove Pointsec PC completely first and then resize the partition.

http://dl3.checkpoint.com/paid/6b/Pointsec_PC_6.3.1_HFA6_Release_Notes.pdf?HashKey=1241311451_20e966e2a4e4cb06a71949500081ed31&xtn=.pdf

I have been looking around

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a lot today and did not find what you linked to, thanks, a lot of good info.

I’ve never

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actually used it but I would be carefull not to upset it. Sometimes you have to go the long way around and it just can’t be avoided. 😀

I just gotta guess, cause I have

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not read all you sent that the encryption is strictly the data. Will read it in full tomorrow.

If that is the case, all resizing is doing is adjusting the address. This does not seem to me to be a breach of the security.

Someone must have a resize program that will fly under Pointsec on an XP PC. Vista partition resize works with Pointsec.

You could setup

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a test environment and use Partition Magic V.8 if you have access to it. 😀 It works a treat with XP. 😉

You must be in stealth mode as you are not showing up in my contacts list. 😀

I have used Partition Magic

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In the past, do not have V.8, before I spend the bucks I would like to know if it can do Pointsec.

An older version of Partition Magic does not work, Ubuntu 8.10 does not even see the partitions, Ubuntu 9.04 sees the partitions but cannot resize, XP pc comes up unbootable.

As for stealth mode, I do not know. I can never tell when Boxie is on line till she posts. You mean that I am invisible as well?

This could help with the Hal 9000 battle.

Crap, I just revealed my position.

Sorry,

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having trouble with my thumb.

Corrected now.

LOL

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you are definately in stealth mode. 😀

There is a free trial here but I don’t know if it will allow you to resize the partitions.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/Partition-Magic.shtml

I do not see

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where it says anything about Pointsec, but in the past I when using Partition Magic it does a reboot and resizes outside of Windows, that is also outside of Pointsec, the same problem with Acronis, you end up with a unbootable pc.

What the heck, I will try it. But that will be on Monday.

I think that

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Partition Magic is actually invoked from the autocheck autochk * feature when resizing a drive. It adds its commands and runs before the OS is restarted. I really hope that it works out OK for you. 😀

No it won’t

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and that is what I thought, if it starts before the os, it will not see the hard drive.

Can you see me now?

I still can’t see you

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and that is a bummer if it relies on seeing the Hard drive. I can’t think of anymore suggestions that may work. One of the other members may have a trick up their sleeve. 😉

As you say

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Pointsec also disables chkdsk, and Diskeeper boot time activities.

Perhaps hardware encryption is a better way.

Wow

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I will have to leave that thought up to you but you may run into similar problems. Never having used it I’m unaware of the steps involved in uninstalling it and then having to reinstall. It sounds like a PITA which ever way you go about it. 😉

Like I said at the top

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this is not something that comes up every day, but from time to time it would be so nice to just resize partitions with out any problems.

To decrypt a Pointsec pc of about 100 gig takes about 5 hours, my typical solution is to reimage, about 3 hours with data.

Would indeed be cool to have a quicker solution.

edit to fix a size issue, meg or gig?

Double wow

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went to print what you had posted and got this;
http://dl3.checkpoint.com/paid/6b/Pointsec_PC_6.3.1_HFA6_Release_Notes.pdf?HashKey=1241311451_20e966e2a4e4cb06a71949500081ed31&xtn=.pdf

Unfair.

Should have printed it when I first saw it.
went back to print it for tomorrow and it is gone.

I get the same

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message even using the original link. I didn’t think that I would need the PDF so I didn’t take a copy. Sorry about that. 😀

Edit: to add that I found another similar PDF here and I have saved a copy in case it is needed.

http://www.checkpoint.com/services/education/training/courses/samples/pointsec_sample.pdf

Note to self

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When you see some good info grab it, do not expect it to be there later.

This is eerie

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you pop up out of nowhere. It does seem strange that it could be accessed before though. 😀

just a thought, never used pointsec…

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have you given gparted a try, it’s my all in one partition tool and they have built a live cd. dunno, but might try it on a test machine.

A few posts back

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I mentioned Ubuntu, guess that I should have said gparted or the partition manager, anyhoo these do not get it done.

Man it’s no good getting older

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I almost forgot that PM8 has been replaced with this.

EASEUS Partition Manager Home Edition

Freeware

Edit: with PM8 you could create a couple of boot disks. I don’t know if this will allow it but if it does you will be in an environment prior to the OS. Whether it will see it is another thing.

Thanks

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I will give it a look.

No That did not work

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Still got a few thumbs left in case anyone has another idea.

OK

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If you can do it with Vista you can try this on a test System. Use a Vista DVD or download and create this Recovery CD you will be able to use Diskpart to manipulate your Partitions. Follow the directions below and you should be good to go.

The Windows Vista Recovery CD can be used to Boot your PC. Check your BIOS settings to make sure that you are booting from the CD first.

Creating a Windows Vista Recovery CD

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=622

Download from here:

http://coblitz.codeen.org/neosmart.net/downloads/guides/Vista_Repair/Vista_Recovery_Disc_x86.iso

Boot from the CD and on the first screen click Next, click Repair your computer, click Next and select Command Prompt.

Type in DISKPART and press Enter. This opens the Microsoft DiskPart application. You need to select the active disk, so type in:

list disk

The primary disk is generally Disk 0, so type in:

select disk 0

Now we need a list of volumes on this disk, so type in:

list volume

In this case Volume 0 is the one we want, so type in:

select volume 0

select part 1

Partition 1 is now the selected partition

Now type in:

shrink

DiskPart will go off and reclaim as much of the drive as it can ? you should get at least 50% of the space back.

Now type

EXIT

Edit: missed a command

Did not try that, broken link

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but I do not believe that it will work as you are booting the machine without getting to Windows, only in Windows will you have access to the drive. And that is why Vista disk manager can resize partitions.

Looking thru the documentation as this hard head should have done first I read this:

Resizing partitions ? Never use any disk-partition editing software
with Full Disk Encryption installed on the workstation. If you need to
resize a partition, remove Full Disk Encryption first, and then resize
the partition.

So to continue to be hard headed, is it possible to get the Vista disk manager on XP as it can resize partitions on the fly without a reboot.

Guess I should start that as a new Question.

Or just give up on this idea.

To be honest

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I would be removing the Encryption before resizing the Partition.
Diskpart in XP is 160K 14-4-2008 and in Vista it is 129K and 13-12-2008. I really doubt that it would work swapping them over. Having said that there is nothing stopping you from trying it. LOL

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