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Sacking an I.T guy

By gflyhalf ·
What is the best way to lay off an I.T guy? I've heard of a guy who was given a notice and within the same day,he had corrupted the database,deleted crucial files and took off within 30mins. Cases are also told of guys who install viruses that are triggered off when they dont log in within a specific period of time....

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IT all depends on the person and the situation

by BlueKnight In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

There is no "one way fits all" when it comes to sacking an IT person.

A truly good manager will know what makes his people tick, or not, and will handle each accordingly.

Certain IT workers will need to be escorted immediately to the door while someone else is revoking all system access they had been granted in order to be certain everything they worked on keeps running.

Of course this doesn't work when you have a developer type such as one in the Silicon Valley I heard about years ago... seems he put some checks into the payroll system that checked for a change in his employment status -- if he was terminated, all the files would be erased. After he was sacked, the story has it that they had to bring him back in to recover what was lost because he had all the knowledge. This also reflects poorly on the management allowing a single point of failure.

Back in '96 my position was eliminated as part of a cost cutting attempt - even though I had showed them how to save even more without layoffs. They figured that since I was the mainframe systems programmer etc., when the machine was unplugged, they didn't need me. They didn't realize that I also managed the LAN, WAN and a bunch of other stuff in addition. My boss was great and allowed me whatever time I needed for job fairs, interviews etc. Sure I was disappointed in the loss of my job of 16 years, but like Tony Hopkinson said, we're called IT professionals for a reason.

Those in management just need to be fully aware of each situation and how the affected employee could react, and plan the termination accordingly.

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Lay off or Fire???

by trenton.wilkins In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

I noticed that your question is Lay Off, not fire an IT Guy. If its a lay off, and you have trusted the guy to to now, then I would continue to do so. Being downsized, etc. is part of this business. Treat the guy professionally and he should act that way.
If you are needing to fire the guy then all of the other advice about not letting him near any systems first thing in the morning is best.

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This depends on the reason

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

Mostly I've heard this type of mentality from Upper Management and what I draw from that is that is what they would do and expect others to be as Unprofessional as they are.

In 34 + years of working with computers in now what is called IT I've never seen a professional do something like this as it would adversely impact on their reputation which is far more important than anything else to them. If they have Integrity they maintain it at all costs. If they are not IT professionals and are there because some senior person at the company recommended them for the position and they are as useful as Teats on a Bull that's a different story and the person needs to be treated differently.

But over the years I've seen departing office workers literally disable entire networks before they left. Of course they deleted things that required a reboot and didn't reboot so when next morning someone came in and turned things on nothing worked.

I've seen the mess that a departing Management has made of a system that has taken days to clean out, generally they infect them with Virus and the like and delete the Data Base but because of their total lack of knowledge they do little else and still walk away with a Golden Handshake.

But I've yet to see a true professional damage a system that they have been responsible for. Things like Logic Bombs are not common from the IT fraternity and unless something really nasty has been done to the person in question I don't think that it's likely to really happen. Most Professionals would prefer to say F### You and walk away rather than be tied up with doing something as petty as what you are suggesting.

Of course if they are someones child who knows everything that there is to know all bets are off as these are not Professionals but want to Be's with nothing to loose as they have no Professional Standards to live by to begin with and didn't get the job by their merits but where handed it on a silver plate to mess up as they please.

If it is one of these types I would walk them out the door without allowing them access to anything related to the computer network and at the same time remove the LAN from any outside Access till any back door's that had been inserted have been locked down and blocked.

With Professionals if you treat them right they will always understand why such & such is happening that doesn't mean that they'll like it but they'll understand it and accept it. If you run around like a child and insist on treating people as untrustworthy they act accordingly.

But as you have employed someone who isn't a true professional you basically get what you pay for and if you pay peanuts and treat them like SHAT you have to expect disgruntled monkeys.


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I think you hit the nail on the head

by RknRlKid In reply to This depends on the reaso ...

I've been laid off three times in my life, and I never would have considered retaliation. Except for one time, I didnt have any heartburn about the fact it happened. However, the key to it all was the attitudes and actions of the management. In most cases, a senior manager took me aside and explained the situtation to me, told me my options, and told me how he wasn't necessarily pleased that he had to do it, etc etc. The one time that I did have heartburn, my manager had a completely different manager tell me I had been let go. The second manager also told me how he thought that my manager was so poor in that he couldn't face his employees after he made his decision to let them go. The other manager acted professionally; my own manager didn't.

There is no accounting for personality, of either the manager or employee. But that is why there are professional standards, so the flaws of human nature are overcome, at least for brief periods. Unfortunately, management in many cases has become a playground for the egotistical, their private domain where they can humiliate and exercise "power."

This relates to the threads about the network "belonging" to the individual systems administrator. Usually that type of person is not professional, and has a personality flaw that will reveal itself over time. (In my experience, these flaws are usually something serious and self destructive, like drug or alcohol abuse.) When dismissed, this is the type of person who will get angry and will "show them" before going home.

We live, unfortunately, in a world where perpetual adolescence is encouraged, and maturity is neglected. What else, I suppose, can we expect?

I started rambling there; sorry about the rant!

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Best way?

by angry_white_male In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

Don't let the employee out of your sight until he's out the door. If you have a trusted network admin - have him disable the employee's network account, kill the VPN account, unplug the employee's PC from the network, etc... - while the employee is learning his fate. NEVER EVER give someone with administrative rights to your network advance notice that he's about to be let go. When the time comes - do it, take immediate steps to mitigate any damage and don't let the employee out of your sight!

As for "proactive" measures that a disgruntled IT employee may take ahead of time - make sure the employee is aware of the legal/criminal ramifications for doing so - make the exit interview his last chance to fess up (not to accuse him but to be sure that he did or he didn't). If he did - you have a chance to stop it.

Hopefully the domain admin password isn't given out to IT staff (they should have their own domain admin logon you can kill without causing problems downstream).

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Arrest him

by daverot20 In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

I was working at an aeronautical plant and the IT manager was faking emergency callouts as he was travelling 60 miles on an emergency callout at $500 a time , he planted a time bomb. Lastime I heard of him the serious fraud squad locked him away.

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Unless that was a tongue in cheek comment

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Arrest him

you might want to read the post again.

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What was this thread about, anyway?

by Kiltie In reply to Sacking an I.T guy

So many people being rude to each other, I kinda got lost


(guess I'll get fired now, for posting that :S )

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It's is about hitting nails on heads...

by NOW LEFT TR In reply to What was this thread abou ...

or at least that what I got from it.

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Or if you only have a hammer

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to It's is about hitting nai ...

everything gets treated like a nail.

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