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Should Barack Obama be reelected?

By maxwell edison ·
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Yes or no, and why?

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yeah, he's a damn sight closer than Obama

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Ansu, it's clear that you ...

Romney has worked with his hands and with his mind to make his living.

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How do you know?

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Ansu, it's clear that you ...

What's your sample?
All anyone has to know about Mormonism is that it's a special kind of crazy. Sure, it's not Westboro style, but it's not far from some of the only slightly less crazy Baptist movements (yes, I know it's not a Baptist movement).
Say no to cultists.

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Applying the same criteria to the other Christian groups that you

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Ansu, it's clear that you ...

apply to the Mormons, then the Salvation Army, Amish, Puritans, and all Protestant groups are cults. I suggest you take time to read the history of all the religious groups and their teachings before you write them off as cults. Or do you see All religions as cults, in which case Islam is a cult too. Come to think of it, both the Mormon Church and the Moslem Church started out the same way - with a person saying they had a vision from God and gathering a few followers.

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No, Romney started WITH scratch, not from scratch

by NickNielsen In reply to Ansu, it's clear that you ...

Bill Gates, the Two Steves (Jobs and Wozniak), Sergey Brin, and even Barack Obama all started from scratch.

But Mitt Romney had to (**GASP** ) sell stock for living expenses while in college. I can't think of anybody who wouldn't want to start with that kind of scratch.

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Ernest, it's clear that you have no knowledge of mormonism.

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Ansu, it's clear that you ...

Founded by an obvious charlatan, it is so full of absurdity, it's actually worse than Scientology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith

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Nick and Ansu,

by Deadly Ernest In reply to What are your sources for ...

Nick, dig deeper as Mitt was working after school and during summer while in school. I know quite a few people in the USA who did that and then invested the money so they could use it to pay for the college education.

Ansu, over the years I've looked heavily into all the religions and I know a lot more about the Mormons than you realise. If you claim Joseph Smith is a charlatan, then you have to apply the same to William Booth, the founder of every Protestant Church, St Linus and every Pope since, Muhammad, Buddha, and the founder of every other church, and some would also include Jesus known as the Christ. In each case they claim a vision or enlightenment from God and then gathered a group of like minded people around them.

I disagree with your analysis of Romney, but even if I did, I'd rather have someone like that in charge of the US than a liar who's a pawn of Moslem extremists and set on destroying the USA.

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I worked year-round, Ernest

by NickNielsen In reply to Nick and Ansu,

But I wasn't lucky enough to have AM stock given to me by my father.

www.samefacts.com/2012/01/income-distribution/mitt-romney-and-ann-the-students-struggling-so-much-that-they-had-to-sell-stock/

Not from the horse's mouth, but from the mare...

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Great quote Nick, now please read it:

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Nick and Ansu,

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“The stock came from Mitt’s father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year — it wasn’t much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

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In short, Mitt's father took Mitt's money and invested it - not the same as a gift of money from dad, is it? Income derived from the investment of Mitt's money. And also:

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“Remember, we’d been paying $62 a month rent, but here, rents were $400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt’s very bright.

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Took a loan and then earned the money to pay it back.

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...a liar who's a pawn of Moslem extremists and set on destroying the USA.

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Nick and Ansu,

First of all, what?!? What news do you follow, man?

And Romney can't call anybody a liar anymore; he's lied even more often than Obama, which is saying a lot... and even Fox called Ryan's acceptance speech out for being a load of bull.

So, if we must go to the kind of hyperbole you're spouting, Romney is a liar who's a pawn of China and set on selling out the USA, for personal profit.

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The point you missed, Ernest

by NickNielsen In reply to Nick and Ansu,

The sentence before your selection reads: "Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time." That single sentence blows any claims of working after school out of the water.

At that time, not many Americans had a father who could buy them stock; heck, it's still that way. NONE of my classmates when I was in college had money of their own; we were all there on scholarships, loans, help from Mom & Dad, or our own sweat. None of us were able to sell stocks to make living expenses. I know any birthday money I got while growing up never exceeded five dollars. I suspect Mitt's "birthday money" greatly exceeded that amount.

I grew up with nothing but family. What I've had since I was about 15, I have worked for and earned. No financial help from Mom, Dad, or anybody. If Mitt had done that, I might believe he understands what it's like to start from nothing. I'm sure he thinks he does. But the record speaks for itself: any claim that Mitt Romney is a self-made man who started from nothing falls flat in the face of the facts.

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