Silly Question?

By Anpadh ·
OK. Here we go. I am not a techie and never have been. I do enjoy working with computers and learning about them but I know zip about hardware -- and when I say zip, I am probably overstating my knowledge. I know a little bit about software but only a little more than the average non-techie, not nearly enough to be considered anything near being a software expert.

Now, here's the thing. I want to change my field. I am an English teacher. I want to switch over to the computer field. Money is the main reason. I won't deny that. But also, over the years, I have been failing to develop crucial educational tools simply because I don't understand computers. My research tells me that the future lies, not so much in a particular software, but in managing systems and networks. All software, ultimately, needs to work with the hardware, while the hardware can always adapt or ignore most types of software.

I have decided to work toward the CCIE certification. I know it takes a great deal of knowledge and several years of work. I know it is fairly expensive too. I know I need to get CCENT and CCNA certification and other certifications, en route to the CCIE. All of the comments I have read on this board state that it is damn near impossible to pass the CCNA test without actually working in the field before taking the test.

And that is what leads to my silly question: How do I get an IT job without any certification? It seems to be a Catch-22 situation. I need certification to get the job but I cannot possibly pass the certification test unless I already have a job.

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changing for the money?

by Snuffy09 In reply to Anpadh


I believe that may become the "death of you" I cannot speak for the rest of the "IT veterans" on this site but im sure a lot will agree with me that you cannot be motivated longterm by the money.

Don't believe the hype on the IT training commercials that you will make 80k+ as soon as your handed that piece of paper. Others have the piece of paper and experience. you may not start out at the top of the food chain like "they" promised you.

This is where the passion for your trade ranks over desire for money

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IT Commercials.

by Anpadh In reply to changing for the money?

I don't believe the hype. I do, however, believe the Bureau of Labor Statistics that says there will be an increase in demand for IT jobs over the next 10 years. Also, I am not looking for $80K. I am looking for $25K (hopefully) but would settle even for $15K, with CCNA certification. I would look for $60k after 5 to 7 years, with CCIE certification and $80K+ ten to fifteen years from now.

I know there are ways I can use IT in education so, once I have sufficient income I will find a way to use my IT skills in education, particularly English education.

In the short-term, I do need the money. In the long-term, I know there are ways I can utilize my combination of IT and education skills in ways that most people cannot imagine. I did not see the point of discussing this with some of the other IT professionals who responded here as they seem to believe that the ability to learn IT is a god-given skill available only to the CHOSEN FEW and that IT skills can be used only in the computer industry and nowhere else.

I have always wanted to create the hardware and software necessary to teaching English skills to those who lack the money and/or time to go to school, buy books, etc. 20 years ago, when I looked into it, creating such an online program would have cost in excess of $100 million. Now, I believe, it can be done for under $1 million. In another 10 years, probably the cost will drop to $100,000 or less. And if I have some IT skills myself, the cost will drop even more.

So, there is a long-term plan but it is quite far in the future.

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If you are looking create

by SKDTech In reply to IT Commercials.

"hardware and software necessary to teaching English skills to those who lack the money and/or time to go to school, buy books, etc" then I would say that you are trying to plan along the wrong lines.

I would say that programming/development would be the better route. The hardware is there, what is needed is the software. You seem to be missing the points that some here are trying to make and your immediate goal is not in line, in my mind, with your stated end goal.

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Well if money is your main reason

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Silly Question?

I suggest you revise math first.
Because IT = Money is not an easy equation to balance.

Even pre crisis you would be struggling, now...

Given your back ground, I would have suggested Business Analyst (educational Software may be), or even better Technical Writer. Leverage what you have instead of starting from scratch. There could even be managment opportunities, we do tend to be bunch of kids at times.

Don't believe this crap about shortage of skilled professionals, it's more a shortage of people who'll work for naff all an hour.


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Writing Is Impossible!

by Anpadh In reply to Well if money is your mai ...


Thanks for your suggestion! (Not being sarcastic -- I mean it). However, trust me when I say that I have looked into all aspects of writing, from teaching KG to journalism to medical transcription to speech-writing to technical writing and beyond. Nobody needs/wants writing skills. Those who do, such as TV sitcoms, etc. already have plenty of them. Even things to do with writing for the computer industry have no future, really. I don't mean only Technical Writing, but writing for blogs, online journals, etc. is simply not productive.

About the only field that is hiring more people than it is firing is IT. Trust me, I am not looking to make $100K or even $50K per year. $25K per year, for the next year or two would do it for me. It would let me drive my car and buy my groceries. When I said money was the main reason for the switch I meant that in a very basic way -- ANY money, not a lot of money. Right now, I am making $70 per week -- $10 per day.

I got laid off last month and paid this month's and last month's bills with the severance pay. But I can't make it on $10 per day. I can get a student loan and try to study toward something that would get me a job -- quick!

I have a Master's degree in English and 20 years of college teaching experience and I cannot even get a job delivering pizza. I am "over-qualified" for that!

So, I do appreciate what you are saying and I have tried it but there is no real future in being an educator. I want to do something hands-on. It's OK if it is hard to learn because that reduces the competition. The main thing is that it must have a future, however basic that may be.

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Sorry your not closer to me, my company is hireing

by Slayer_ In reply to Writing Is Impossible!

We have been growing faster than we thought we would, so we are hireing again. An analyst and a programmer spots are available. There is also a network specialist, and 2 sales spots available.

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a dose of reality

by jdclyde In reply to Writing Is Impossible!

ccna classes = one year
ccnp classes = another year
ccie better work in the field daily working on routers for a minimum of 5 years, studying the whole time.

In about 7 years, IF you take the the very technical side of cisco routers and switches, you MIGHT be able to try to take the $2k test to become a CCIE.

you to know cisco routers and switches are all command line, no gui, right?

I have completed the ccnp training, and have just found myself laid off with 10 years on the job.

To stand on a box and proclaim you wish to become ccie for the cash is laughable. You do it because you excel in the field, not because someone put dollar signs in your eyes.

At your present pay rate, how to you propose to take all the classes?

You also know you have to PAY to attempt the tests, right? pass or fail, one shot deal. don't pass, you pay and take it again. CCNP is four tests. Just the tests will cost you over a years wages.

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Oh, gee, REALLY?

by Anpadh In reply to a dose of reality

You mean people work for free and then pay for tests? WOW! What a concept! I just figured people got paid when they were employed and so they would have money to pay for tests. But I am sure you have a unique perspective being SO WISE!

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Who said anything about working for free?

by jdclyde In reply to Oh, gee, REALLY?

I was working as a programmer while I went to school for the networking. Got my BS in networking, and am now laid off.

Some employers will pay for you to take the cert tests, but many won't.

Sorry if reality is to bitter of a pill for you to swallow.

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Get Real!

by Anpadh In reply to Who said anything about w ...

I don't expect employers or anyone else to pay for what I want to do. I plan to earn and spend my own money on my own objectives.

Sorry if that reality is too bitter for you to swallow. Apparently, you expect others to pay for your tests!

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