Silly Question?

By Anpadh ·
OK. Here we go. I am not a techie and never have been. I do enjoy working with computers and learning about them but I know zip about hardware -- and when I say zip, I am probably overstating my knowledge. I know a little bit about software but only a little more than the average non-techie, not nearly enough to be considered anything near being a software expert.

Now, here's the thing. I want to change my field. I am an English teacher. I want to switch over to the computer field. Money is the main reason. I won't deny that. But also, over the years, I have been failing to develop crucial educational tools simply because I don't understand computers. My research tells me that the future lies, not so much in a particular software, but in managing systems and networks. All software, ultimately, needs to work with the hardware, while the hardware can always adapt or ignore most types of software.

I have decided to work toward the CCIE certification. I know it takes a great deal of knowledge and several years of work. I know it is fairly expensive too. I know I need to get CCENT and CCNA certification and other certifications, en route to the CCIE. All of the comments I have read on this board state that it is damn near impossible to pass the CCNA test without actually working in the field before taking the test.

And that is what leads to my silly question: How do I get an IT job without any certification? It seems to be a Catch-22 situation. I need certification to get the job but I cannot possibly pass the certification test unless I already have a job.

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Surely, for a REAL change, you ought to have ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to the reason to be a nurse/ ...

BEEN the hot nurse!! :^0

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I fear

by jdclyde In reply to Surely, for a REAL change ...

we have VERY different ideas of what a hot nurse is. I like girls.... ;\

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I just wanted to say not all IT people are routers and cisco junk

by Slayer_ In reply to Silly Question?

You can also be on the administrative side. Knowing things like security, active directory w/e nix can use for the same function (Sorry to the Nix guys cause I do not know).

And like I said before, analysts are in high demand, especially for reasons like us techie people don't know english from our aholes.

I can personally say the most important people in are organization are the ones that can talk to the customers and actually figure out what they want, and tell us techie people what they want so we can figure out how to actually do it, and then actually do it :).

There is a lot of different levels to IT, not just Cisco and certifications. (of which you will probably find out right now are worthless cause of the state of the economy)

Web developer for example... You can learn the basics of web technology pretty easily, 1 or 2 courses and you'd probably learn all you'd need. Sure you'd probably get on that topic about garbage HTML, but at least you'd be employed.

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Transition means Change!

by Anpadh In reply to I just wanted to say not ...

I never said, at any time, anywhere, that I am looking ONLY into the computer field. I just feel that it is stupid to post questions about being a copywriter in an ad agency, while posting on a board that is focused on IT careers. Even within IT, I am looking into hardware, software, sales, and other aspects.

I don't need to learn web-design because I can work with someone who is an experienced web-designer herself. Similarly, I don't need to learn animation because I could easily put together a team of animators for a particular project. I want to learn something that nobody in my circle already knows.

I am looking into various fields outside of education because, in my opinion, education is a dead end. Why would anyone spend 4 years to 8 years studying toward a degree or degrees for which they would pay as much as $250,000 in tuition and books alone, if they see that the people who are teaching them those skills are getting fired (and not getting hired elsewhere) every day?

You don't need a degree in Computer Science to flip burgers at Burger King.You don't even need to be able to read, for something like that. And if you do read, and do have a degree in CS, chances are you will get low-paying CS jobs occasionally and you will be over-qualified for the flipping burger job. But I don't mind getting the low-paying CS job because it is better than having no job at all.

The only way out that I can see (for myself, not the rest of the world) is to get a degree that is very hard to get, normally. When a degree is hard to get, it means demand for the degree exceeds supply. And that more or less guarantees a job.

As to loving what I do, I worked at what I love, for 20 years. Now, there is no longer a market for that type of work. It does not pay the bills. If you were in my place, perhaps you would rather drop dead than pay your bills with a job you don't love. And that is your right. However, I would rather pay my bills than drop dead. And that is MY right!

I am not the one being unrealistic here -- you are, if you feel that a person should ONLY make a living doing what he/she loves. If we lived in an ideal world, every student I ever taught would pay me $1 per year the rest of my life, and I would not need to worry about paying my bills after working for 20 years.

However, just in case you have not noticed it, we don't live in an ideal world.

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In case you haven't noticed

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Transition means Change!

nothing guarantees a job any more. That is what these people have been trying to tell you. A depression of global scale is upon us. Jobs are disappearing, not appearing. In every field.

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You'd be perfect as a Politician. Asbolutely perfect ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Transition means Change!

Because you have an obvious, perhaps rather exaggerated capability to change standpoint in mid-sentence.

I reckon you even actually believe the bullwhiff that you produce!

If you look anything like Tricky Dicky Nixon, you got it made.

Anpadhgate here we come! :^0

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You ARE a Perfect ***!

by Anpadh In reply to You'd be perfect as a Pol ...

While, in your opinion, which I don't value at all, I may have potential as a politician, I believe you have no potential at all to be anything other than the *** you have shown yourself to be!

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Why thank you kind sir. I appreciate that ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to You ARE a Perfect Ass!

Your overall view is blinkered, but the sentiment however ill-intentioned, has been well received in the spirit you did not intend.

Mind you - the 'no potential' thing - it was my being listed as RETIRED that gave it away, wasn't it?

If I were you I'd get down to the hardware shop tomorrow and negotiate a trade-in on that dinky little trowel you've got in your grubby mitts - you're gonna be needing a SHOVEL for the size of hole you are digging!!

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raising the bar for the rest of us

by jdclyde In reply to Why thank you kind sir. I ...

while many of us have been called an *** more than once, I never dreamed I would be in the presence of a "perfect" ***. To have refined your assdom to such an art form to obtain perfection is a rather amazing thing, and I am humbled to stand in your shadow.

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I just knew you swung that way....

by JamesRL In reply to raising the bar for the r ... I'd be going down to the strip club if I was looking for the perfect ***.

But hey, to each his own. ...


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