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A group of large software companies has taken the first step toward inciting a tussle with the telecommunications industry by asking Congress to rewrite copyright law so alleged Internet pirates can be more easily targeted by lawsuits.

The group of companies, which is known as the Business Software Alliance, counts as members Microsoft, Autodesk, Borland, Intuit, Sybase and Symantec, among others. The group released a general outline of its suggestions on Thursday in a white paper that effectively describes its legislative proposals for 2005. The companies say they fear a revenue-sapping future in which software programs are traded as frequently and readily on peer-to-peer networks as MP3 music files are today."


http://news.com.com/2102-1030_3-5516568.html?tag=st.util.print

interesting concept, doubt even clarifying the laws will stop the piracy though.

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Another one?!?

by Oz_Media In reply to Software firms want copyr ...

Well being involved directly with copyrights on music, I am on the fence, as are most recording artists. The labels care, the artists don't

Artists gain HUGE advantage form file sharing, tru fans will always but a CD after hearing it, they want the 'rogonal' cover and notes, the disk, the high quality audio that is so miserably bashed to **** at the 128 standard MP3 conpression.

Movies, well that's an issue for some but not a huge one.

Software, one advantage to it is that techs will often test software this way and then convince companies to buy full licences.

The bottom line, in Canada it is constitutionally impssible to restrict file sharing, therefore courts will not grant permission to ISP to release customer data or track IP's to clients.

This is an issue that has been battled for years in the US and stops dead at the ISP, who will not release such inormation on clients either.

SOME acceptions will be made in the case of collecting evidence for accused parties, as in the Timothy McVeigh (sp?) issue, but at these times it is usually the defence that provides such inforamtion and with consent of th defendant, not usually by the State.

I remember selling audio when they were talking about making double tape decks illegal, that went far.

Then there was a surcharge on blank tapes , just like DVD's and CD's, where the majrity of funds collected still sit in limbo and are not being paid out as planned.

Before that we had the Beta vs VHS battles, exactly the same, different technology.

As it turns out, you can buy a double cassette deck nearly 20 years later.

You can buy blank tapes and record and share ANY music you want, 20 years later.

You can buy a double VHS tape recorder and copy movies, 30 years later.

You can buy a DVD RECORDER for copying tapes or vice versa.

CD burners are a dime a dozen even cheap DVD burners are $100.00 now,

Beta found it's place and is still the preferred format fo most TV networks and news agencies.

VHS found it's place in the home.


It all settles after it becomes obsolete it seems.
While there is stil a market share and money to be made, they want to control it. if they didn't produce the technilogy to begin with, consumers would buy fromsomeone else. If they et their fingers in the pie, they want to restrict it while promoting it.


They have no idea what they are doing, it is simply a reason to raise attention.

The same people that make the movies are making the media to copy them.

It's a joke and will be until the next technology becomes available, then it starts all over again.

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by jgaskell In reply to Another one?!?

"Artists gain HUGE advantage form file sharing, tru fans will always but a CD after hearing it"

I hear this argument in support of pirated music all the time and it just doesn't gel with my experience.

I know of several people who used to buy CDs frequently until they bought their first CD burner and now NEVER buy CDs at all. One person in particular that I know very well used to go and ritually buy one CD per week. Then they bought a CD burner and an Internet connection. I don't think they have bought a single CD in the three or four years since then.

Maybe there are people out there who download pirated music and then go out and buy the CDs, but I am yet to meet any of them.

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bad luck

by apotheon In reply to

You're hanging out with the wrong people. The fact of the matter is that CD sales have been shown statistically to climb in populations that engage in file-sharing ("pirating") of music.

I'm not so naive as to expect that they're all just listening to songs to determine whether or not they want to buy the CDs, though. Logically, it seems likely to me that the number of CDs that are being bought that include songs that are being traded frequently is dropping. It's the CDs by artists whose music isn't traded frequently that are selling more frequently. The upshot is that the RIAA isn't actually upset at declining CD sales (since CD sales actually rise where file trading occurs): it's upset at the fact that more CDs are being bought from labels that aren't RIAA members. The RIAA is, in essence, an anti-competitive cartel that exploits loopholes in the law to engage in monopolistic practices.

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All for it

by dafe2 In reply to Software firms want copyr ...

But I wish them luck. IP laws exist today so how do they expect this to stop Piracy?. IMO they might just as well be trying to stop internet porn.

I don't necessarily believe the numbers (Cost of Piracy) they're tossing arround either. File sharing apps (KAZAA & the like) is usually used by kids, newbies & well, plain old idiots. No business today (I hope) would use software from these sources.

As to other objectives such as increasing copyright protections I think that would stifle inovation & competition.

At the very least it'll promote more awareness & penalties. So it's all good.

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It's not all bad

by Oz_Media In reply to All for it

I have used MANY P2P programs to launch/leak new material to th market. The upload stats are alomost as marketable as website tracking stats.

In fact MOST management companies release new artist material this way, it happened to U2 a while back, untli the manager admitted to 'leaking' it purposely.

It sells music, end of story. The only peolpelosing are the US labels, even then though, they are not sure if they are losing or gaining from it. They gain sales but lose SOME revenue, it's a fine line and seeing as they are on both sides of it, they just make noise to raise attention to it.

Just like Windows, P2P can be fairly secure, if not using proprietary software.

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I keep forgetting about tunes.....

by dafe2 In reply to It's not all bad

I believe your right...matter of fact a friend of mine is a WINmx fan. I checked & it's fine.

No, the stuff I was talking about are what I like to call 'dummy pots'.

Places where they put software, cracks, ISO images & whatever else. Just a big virus & malware network IMO.

My friend's gotta have a hearing problem though....he thinks that (MP3)stuff sounds good. I keep telling him the old 8 tracks sounded better. (Maybe he just can't hear me)

Your right though, some of that stuff is (reasonably) safe.

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You mean warez sites!

by Oz_Media In reply to I keep forgetting about t ...

Yeah no better that porn password sites, in fact SOME porn sites are less hassle than warez sites....from what I am told by the types of people who would know.

There is one REALLY good site for stealig software (ony hosts about 16 titles) kickme.to/fosi He's usually go tsome decent software and it's ALWAYS ROCK SOLID! I used to go there years ago to try stuff out when I was first learning raphics software and stuff.

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I'm against it. Go figure.

by apotheon In reply to All for it

This won't fix anything, but it will add complexity to the law, and create yet more abuses of the law. Completely aside from the fact that I'm of the opinion that anything done to strengthen copyright law is unethical, there's also simply the practical results if this passes: more avenues for anti-competitive practices by companies like Microsoft and Symantec, and no less "pirating".

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LOL

by dafe2 In reply to I'm against it. Go figur ...

Love the 'twist' on my last line ;-)

That's what I figure will hapen.........if they increase the copyrights I'm asuming they'll just shut down competition and inovation.

Doesn't make any sense to me really. I can see the lawsuits now.

Gotta wonder who thinks this stuff up.

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Not to worry

by Oz_Media In reply to LOL

They will shoot themselves in the foot if they do and they know it.

The problem with these companies is that they are into so many different angles of the same market that they are constanly in conflict of their own insterests.

They SELL blank CD's and CD burners. Then they are simply killing thier own market, that'swhy nothing ever comes of it. The lawsuits are internal, one company suing itself and then paying itself. Not thta much different than companies that lease themselves their own hardwre, it just circulates the same money between the same companies as doubles it.

They rely on file sharing, thy also rely on conflicts of interest that allow them to sue themselves.

I have sat in on more than one of these suits in the past and have seen this same A company sues A.b company before many times. Mu brother makes a VERY comfortable living representing the various sides of the same company as it sures itself.

It certainly beats insider trading.

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