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Someone please stop this gasoline ride....

By cp7212 ·
....I want to get off now. Gasoline was $2.55 per gallon on Monday (8/29). Gasoline was $2.89 per gallon when I came to work this morning (9/1), now it is $3.14 per gallon. Pardon my French, but what the **** is going on?

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Diesel supply and demand

by JamesRL In reply to Does anyone think reducin ...

If your hypothesis were true, then why isn't diesel more expensive than gas in Europe? My understanding is that 1 in 3 cars sold in Europe is diesel, and diesel is roughly the same price as gas. On average diesel engines are 30% more fuel efficient.

I'm not suggesting that a 100% switchover would take place, but as long as we don't have the refineries that can produce low sulfur diesel, we won't make any progress, and I can see that more diesels would lower the overall demand for crude.


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I do not

by giannidalessismo In reply to Does anyone think reducin ...

those are good points. I hope, per the east, it does slow them
down. it should. taxes should be MUCH higher. we live in a system;
the system has to run on someting; taxes are that fuel. only
problem is it's the workers that pay them.

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Biodiesel, burning wood, taxes

by Montgomery Gator In reply to Does anyone think reducin ...

Regarding the previous posts and diesel, crude oil is not the only source. The high price of diesel fuel will encourage the development of biodiesel, which can be made from crops, used vegetable oil, and organic waste. I understand there is a glut of soybeans, and soybeans are an excellent raw material for making biodiesel.

Regarding wood, it comes from trees, which is a renewable resource. Thin a forest for firewood, the remaining trees grow faster, and then lock up more CO2 from the atmosphere. Cut down a mature forest, and replant. Young trees grow much faster than old growth, and will lock up more CO2.

Regarding taxes, raising them is not the answer. Raising taxes will hurt the economy and result in less government revenues. The principle of the Laffer curve works. What needs to be done is to cut government spending on pork barrel projects (such as the highway bill) and "entitlements" and other programs best left to the individual states. Doing that will cut spending by several 100 billion a year, enough to counter the extra spending for Katrina relief, which should be limited to rebuilding infrastructure like highways and the levees. Setting up enterprise zones with reduced taxes in the affected areas will encourage businesses to rebuild or relocate to NO and coastal MS and LA. These businesses can rebuild a lot better than having programs dictated by a comissar from a government bureaucracy. Jack Kemp, Larry Kudlow, and others knowledgeable about government, economics, business, and taxes have recommended this approach.

Regarding oil furnaces for home heating, the high prices should encourage people to use other sources of heating, using heat pumps powered by electricity, which can be generated using coal, nuclear, or hydroelectric power, all excellent power sources. In addition, a heat pump doubles as an air conditioner in the summer, so therre is no need for separate heating and cooling units. None of the homes in my area use oil furnaces, we heat using electricity or natural gas (which is becoming expensive, also), supplemented by wood burning fireplaces and stoves. Our electricy (from Alabama Power of the Southern Company group) comes mainly from hydroelectric and coal power plants(both sources are abundant in the Southeast), none from oil or natural gas burning plants.

It will take time, but I would think people will convert from oil furnaces to heat pumps for heating their homes.

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question giannidalessismo

by jdclyde In reply to Does anyone think reducin ...

You wrote "only problem is it's the workers that pay them."

The workers use the system. Who other than the people that use a system should PAY for that system?

Oh, let me guess. You meant the "working class", not workers. The "upper crust" should have to pay for everyone elses bills for no other reason than because they can? Very noble of you to offer to spend another persons money to pay for your bills.

Never heard of a thing called self reliance or self respect? People USED to believe they had to pay their fair share in life no matter who they were.

Now it has been reduced to a society of LEACHES, wishing nothing more than to live off of the proceeds of someone else.

I suppose someone else should have to pay for your medical too?

You are a parasite.

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by cp7212 In reply to Does anyone think reducin ...

Augh, so mad I put it in the wrong place.

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by cp7212 In reply to Fed Gas Taxes

Thanks for the clarification, no sarcasm intended.

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something hokey

by giannidalessismo In reply to That's what I'm saying...

hokey is an odd word, but something hinky is always going on. this
is what it is, it's amerika. anyone who voted for GWB deserves what
they get and more. only problem, the rest, who didn't (my vote, due
to the electoral college process wasn't so crucial in CA; Kerry's try
to out-hawk the Repubs was a sticking pt 4 me anyway) maybe not,
so much.

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By voting for GWB

by Montgomery Gator In reply to something hokey

We got a lot better than we would have gotten by electing Kerry. I am thankful you were not able to inflict that socialist on our great nation.

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by Oz_Media In reply to By voting for GWB

You say it as if it's a dirty word.

Canada is CONSIDERED socialist, though we haven't had a "socialist" party for some time. Because our government spends our tax dollars on the people of the country instead of arms, we are still called socialist though, and cmpared to the US I can see why.

Was there something specific about Kerry that you feel would have made your country into one that helps it people instead of one that helps its corporations? Would/COULD America actually become a socialist country?

Are you perhaps just using the term loosely and generally or do you really feel that socialism would have taken over as teh people would have no say if Kerry was elected, do they have more say under the current leadership?

If they DO have more say currently, why haven't voices been addressed regarding the mass objections to Iraq?

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by jck In reply to By voting for GWB

I pulled this from Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: so?cial?ism
Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m
Function: noun

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

To think Kerry would have achieved this, even in minor significance, is absurd. Revolution would happen here before the government could take over all private possessions.

If anything, Bush's provisioning of American tax dollars to rebuild Iraq is a form of global communism, since he's redistributing wealth to the poor in Iraq from the comparatively-affluent American society.

So...rather have a possibly-socialist Kerry? Or, a partially communist Bush?

oh well...I've not to put up with it much longer...

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