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August 8, 2008 at 1:30 am #2153802
TechRepublic trails the Industry?
Lockedby gbhall · about 15 years, 7 months ago
TechRepublic is supposed to be one of the leaders in our Industry as a source of informed comment and help – look at it. Blogs, downloads, forums, webcasts, white papers and more.
Indeed, since I receive emails of some of these things (by request), I am indeed aware of how helpful some can be.
How very, very distressing then, that once a topic disappears from my PC, receovering it again on the site is next to impossible. This is because of the total inadequacy of the TechRepublic search facility.
A massive IT resource, next to useless without the means of accessing it. Don’t believe it? Try this….
Just a week or two ago there was an item (and I might not be able to remember if it was a blog, a forum or a white paper), but it had to do with server operating systems, their current popularity, and it contained a survey. Now with those clues, try to find it in Tech Republic.
You probably won’t, so I now recall the beginning of the title, it was “Do you still support”. Still can’t find it can you?
Now try Google with the same phrase, and it comes first. How VERY embarrassing for the IT experts, don’t you think?
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August 8, 2008 at 3:43 am #2915731
Couple of points….
by the ‘g-man.’ · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to TechRepublic trails the Industry?
A: Google is a multi billion pound company with dedicated search.
There is no comparison to be made with any other ‘local website’ serach engine.
May as well compare you to an army of a million IT techs in terms of what you can achieve.
B: You have made 7 posts yet have been here since 2001, where have you been?
Why have you not contributed more to this resource?
Had you commented on a post our used the save featues you could find YOUR items no problem.
Being such a long term member you should know by now about these features and have no excuse.How VERY embarrassing for the gbhall, don’t you think?
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August 8, 2008 at 12:55 pm #2932119
time, time and more time
by gbhall · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Couple of points….
I have a little more time now than I used to. I often keep my mouth shut unless I have something useful to say. I can certainly suggest some simple improvements to the search facility, and no, remembering the title more accurately is not one of them.
How about
(a) first try a search on the exact text entered
(b) offer ranking choices such as by date, popularity
(c) rank search hits by the total hit score against the words entered, but weighted by word frequency in natural language (that is, weight uncommon words strongly, and words like ‘the’, ‘and’, ‘of’ not at all.I don’t see why I need to comment on a topic in order to find my way back to it, but sure, that does seem to be one way…if I can find where ‘my posts’ is to be found.
The save features….never noticed any in newsletters, nor anywhere else for that matter, but someone will tell me where they are, probably. Thanks for the tip.
I’m sorry if I am upsetting a pair of amateurs running Techrepublic by themselves – it does not give that impression to me at all – rather as a professionally run site with some distinctly undeveloped areas. I have sometimes found a biting comment works against people who are supposed to be professionals but are not doing a very professional job, my apologies to any TechRepublic staffer who considers him/herself to be an amateur.
Oh, PS since you seem keen on me contributing, I find the need to sign on again to view all posts a real blast. I’m already signed on once thanks.
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August 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm #2932099
Workaround.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to time, time and more time
“I find the need to sign on again to view all posts a real blast.”
Again we’re in accord, although others have reported not having this problem. If you’ll click on the link for the first comment, then click the ‘View All’ from there instead of from the original article, you’ll find you don’t need to re-enter your credentials.
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August 25, 2008 at 4:01 pm #2790095
I don’t even do that
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Workaround.
Since it takes two clicks anyway, I click on View all, then click on the Login button without entering anything. I get right in.
Don’t know why that screen shows up on TR and not over on ZDNet, but it does. It’s probably a checkbox somewhere that just got overlooked.
edit: posting while distracted
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August 25, 2008 at 3:10 am #2928868
Here is another I cannot find
by gbhall · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to time, time and more time
I saved a useful TechRepublic item about in 2001. Now I want to refer to it to help someone with a problem. Unfortunately, the saved htm file has lost the graphics which are essential to the peice. The full title of the article was
“Try these Windows 2000 problem solvers”
Putting that into the search yields 74,092 hits in TR
The full address was http://www.techrepublic.com/printerfriendly.jhtml?id=r00320010712frm01.htm
and I still cannot find it !! Can anyone help?
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August 25, 2008 at 7:48 am #2928769
Maybe you need a tutorial on how to search.
by tonythetiger · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Here is another I cannot find
When I searched for “Try these Windows 2000 problem solvers” (You DID include the quotes, didn’t you?)
there were only two messages…. the one I am now replying to, and
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-10878-0.html?forumID=80&threadID=44607&messageID=269046
which links to the article I think you were looking for.
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August 25, 2008 at 9:39 am #2928700
That’s enough, but thanks for the link…finally.
by gbhall · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Maybe you need a tutorial on how to search.
yes I did try both with and without the quotes. With the quotes, I got ‘nothing found’, without them I got (as described 7,400 odd links). 420 returns come from that search, if you include ‘in forums’. That is not where you start from, necessarily. In all of TR, you get nothing at all Try it.
I reiterate that the search is useless, and have posted some simple things that would improve it. Nuff said on this topic.
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August 8, 2008 at 4:07 am #2915726
Here ya’ go
by maxwell edison · about 15 years, 7 months ago
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August 25, 2008 at 12:57 pm #2928578
Yeah I know
by oz_media · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Here ya’ go
Took me a whole 2 minutes too, because TR was a bit slow today.
Whatever, people always complain because they don’t know how to navigate this site. You remember how much Q&A we went through to try and find the best way to set up links and doorways for these guys, it wasn’t just thrown together haphazardly, as the post implies.
It’s like the people who complain about topics shown on the main forum page, not realizing that they are simply looking at the most recently updated thread and that there are specific topics/sections if you click the BROWSE tab.
You can lead them to water…..
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August 8, 2008 at 5:34 am #2915712
Even Better!!!
by the ‘g-man.’ · about 15 years, 7 months ago
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August 8, 2008 at 6:37 am #2932260
I’m gonna buck the trend and partially agree with you.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to TechRepublic trails the Industry?
I also have difficulty searching TR, although I don’t feel as vehemently about it as you apparently do.
I think there are two differences between us. One is that I realize I’m not paying anything for TR and therefore am willing to accept benefits I get without complaint. Two is that it is rarely effective to try to shame or embarrass someone into changing something they’re giving away.
Perhaps those of you who have search tips or tricks wouldn’t mind sharing them.
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August 8, 2008 at 7:26 am #2932244
OHHHHhh
by the ‘g-man.’ · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to I’m gonna buck the trend and partially agree with you.
You brend tucker, you 🙂
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August 25, 2008 at 3:26 am #2928864
I’ve made
by jaqui · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to I’m gonna buck the trend and partially agree with you.
the same complaint, as have many members, TR search has been broken for a long time.
[ 2 or 3 iterations of the site script at least ]which is why I have started poking people for miss tagging posts.
[ hmm, it’s odd, most mis-tagged posts seem to be members from India, those same members that want us to do their homework for them. ] -
August 25, 2008 at 7:10 pm #2790024
I’ll second that
by seanferd · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to I’m gonna buck the trend and partially agree with you.
Sometimes, I can enter the exact title, and get everything but what I’m looking for. Doesn’t bug me too much, though.
Searching at MS bugs me way, way more. Weird and mysterious things happen there.
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August 25, 2008 at 3:50 am #2928858
In all fairness
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to TechRepublic trails the Industry?
This issue is not a sole problem with TechRepublic. I find that most web sites even the almighty Microsoft search engines are lousy. Even if, as you stated, you know exactly what your looking for because you already found it once before I still have a hard time finding it with the sites search engine.
So does TR trail the industry? I don’t think so. I think they are right in line with everyone else.
FWIW
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August 25, 2008 at 6:54 am #2928809
That’s where you’re wrong.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to In all fairness
“…even the almighty Microsoft search engines are lousy.”
No, they’re useless. If I need anything from MS, I use Google and specify the microsoft.com on the Advanced page.
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August 25, 2008 at 12:06 pm #2928609
Lousy… useless…
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to That’s where you’re wrong.
potato… potato…
huh… that doesn’t seem to work as well when you type it out
:^0
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August 25, 2008 at 12:27 pm #2928592
Hint
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Lousy… useless…
potato…potahto
tomato…tomahto
😀
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August 25, 2008 at 12:48 pm #2928581
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August 25, 2008 at 4:04 pm #2790093
Thanks
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Happy Birthday btw
Outside the TR experience, it’s been an enjoyable day. 😀
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August 25, 2008 at 4:30 am #2928845
Speaking of sloppy information retrieval systems …
by older mycroft · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to TechRepublic trails the Industry?
No matter how many times I access the profile page for ‘gbhall’, [i]I’ve even accessed it via the obscure search facility within the Top100[/i] – it still comes up with a BLANK PAGE!
No Personal Details – nada – zero – zilch.
Now I’m wondering where TR have put all your personal details, that other long-term Peers cannot access them?
TR will probably blame you – claiming that you’ve been here over SEVEN YEARS but never bothered to enter any data.
A likely story. Pah !! 😉
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August 25, 2008 at 8:01 am #2928759
:D
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
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August 25, 2008 at 12:49 pm #2928580
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August 25, 2008 at 5:12 pm #2790069
I thought it was
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Oh, please…
Needed screen wipes by the time I was finished. Still trying to get coffee out of the keyboard. 😐
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August 26, 2008 at 5:17 am #2789908
You probably enjoy
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to I thought it was
Pedro’s signs on I-95, too. Especially the upside-down one that says, “Pedro feex later, hokay?” Yeah, that never gets tired.
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August 26, 2008 at 12:48 pm #2790395
Don’t read billboards
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 7 months ago
In reply to You probably enjoy
Just read the road signs. That way I don’t look a fool wandering all over the road and having to dive for my exit from the far lane.
Having said that, the only I-95 I do is between I-20 and exit 170. I don’t think Pedro has any signs there…no wait, I’ve seen one! He never sleeps.
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