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The coming liberal thugocracy

By maxwell edison ·
If nothing in the piece is incorrect.....

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/

.....how can the conclusion be incorrect?

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Agree, Agree, meh-agree

by jmgarvin In reply to I agree with everything y ...

SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are mismanaged nightmares that are on par with national healthcare.

The DoEd is meh. I think we need oversight in education, but the DoEd is doing a poor job of it. I don't think private companies can do a better job (for a number of reasons), but I do know we need something different. I'm a HUGE fan of vouchers....

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About the DoEd

by NickNielsen In reply to Agree, Agree, meh-agree

...we need oversight in education, but the DoEd is doing a poor job of it.

The DoEd should be an Education Commission with the sole function of setting national standards. This is the the one failing of our education system: the minimum standards should be the same nationwide. High school students in Petal, MS, Graham, WA, Los Angeles, New York City, or Minneapolis should all meet the same requirements for graduation. You don't meet, you don't graduate.

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Nick- That sounds so fair that I doubt it'll happen.

by OnTheRopes In reply to Agree, Agree, meh-agree

I agree with you though. Meet the minimum or you don't graduate and tough stuff if you don't. The sooner people realize that they're mainly responsible for what happens to them, the better off they'll be. Sure, there's a lot of things <i>out</i> of their control but people CAN graduate if they really want to.

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Nick

by w2ktechman In reply to Agree, Agree, meh-agree

Wouldnt this be one of those things that should be left to the States? I see your point about having national standards, however, I think that this is more of a State issue, not a Fed issue.


But then again, the States do go looking for money for Education...

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I don't find a standards-only D of Ed disagreeable, but many do

by DelbertPGH In reply to Agree, Agree, meh-agree

Particularly some Southern states which, I'm sorry to say, are more comfortable bringing them up stupid than are the others of the country. Think of Florida, Mississippi, etc. They're not happy about carpetbaggers flinging around a bunch of fancy standards that don't respect "the way we do thangs down heah." Actually, though, if you tie federal education dollars to something like No Child Left Behind, you'll find politicians from Maine to California screaming about the unfairness of it all. It happens now. Each state gets to set its own test standards for NCLB scoring, and it's a scandal, the excuses that paper over their abysmal results.

If you want to hear people really scream, try to put in standards like they have in France or Finland. Those guys teach high school like we teach med school. Their 6th grade is tougher than our 12th grade. A lot of students don't make it through, either, at least not in France. At age 12 they have a test that separates kids into three streams: a math-tech college track, a humanities college track, and a trades track. The trades kids graduate at 16 and go on the labor market. The college crowd stays in school until 18 or 19, when they pass their baccalaureate test. The "Bac" is a grueling exam in each of your high school subjects; it is equivalent to an associates degree, except that you work three times as much as you do in community college. Then they go to university.

I've gone over my wife's old grade school textbooks and her class assignments. She was educated by nuns in France when her dad was posted there, back when France still garrisoned U.S. troops. (Catholic schools got state financing, by the way, the same as French public schools.) It's 45 years old and still better and tougher than anything I've seen from an American school.

The big philosophical difference between us and France is that they believe in educating the best to be the best, and educating the rest to get jobs. Americans believe everybody should be treated equally because we don't trust elites, although that means dumbing down educational standards, and ignoring trades education almost entirely.

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The Education Commission I would like to see

by NickNielsen In reply to Agree, Agree, meh-agree

would be associated (loosely) with the Department of Commerce. One of the mandates of the federal government is to regulate interstate commerce. A properly-educated workforce can only have positive effects on commerce.

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No Argument From Me

by BFilmFan In reply to Well said

I am a strict constuctionist. The duties and powers of the Federal government are clearly laid out in the Constitution.

If the Fed doesn't have the duty, then it is the right of the people of a state to handle that activity.

If the Founding Fathers lived now, we'd have another armed rebellion on our hands.

Instead we live in a country where more people are interested in what is on TV, than what the royality is doing.

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Liberals under the bed again, Max? Gonna getcha?

by DelbertPGH In reply to The coming liberal thugoc ...

Michael Barone's opinion piece could have appeared in Fantasy and Science Fiction. It would be laughable the way "conservatives" can write up this rabble-rousing nonsense, and be taken deadly seriously by other conservative-minded folk, if it weren't for the clown circus presidency that conservative populism inflicted upon us, which we have suffered through these last seven years. It's a good thing the U.S.A. is such strong and deep country; lesser states would have been wiped off the globe by such a prolonged case of bloody-minded nitwittery in their highest leadership. Ah, well. Life moves on, and I guess that's what scares Mr. Barone. He's got to whip up the faithful with another dose of the boogey-man frights.

Honestly, Max, even though I am nine feet tall and could crush the free speech out of you with my left hand, it's not the kind of thing I'd do. You can trust me on this. Mr. Obama will bring you a brighter, lighter world, in which you will not need fear as your constant companion. (In fact, I'm more conservative than liberal in my fundamental convictions about human nature. Perhaps some day we can discuss these things.)

Anyway, Barone's piece is very weakly tethered to verifiable fact or probable outcomes. What he does have is a bunch of coincidental material of doubtful relevance to anything, which he presents as proof positive of whatever he wants to write about. All of his conclusions are a whippy froth based on ill-will and high emotion. What he talks about isn't happening, or is happening because of other obvious reasons, and is not of the scale he complains about.

Anyhow, to address the primary actual points of evidence he raises: 1) there's a good reason NBC pulled its skit and substituted a doctored version... the subtitle that named "Herbert and Marion Sandler: People who Should Be Killed" had no business being up in the first place. Suggesting somebody should be dead might just lead to it happening. 2) A bunch of people called in and swamped the lines of a talk show giving a platform to somebody presenting more Ayers evidence... what was this guy saying, anyway? Was it suggesting Obama was a terrorist sympathiser? Dumb move; it'll get people pissed off about you. It was an open phone call-in, and people called in, as I understand it, exercising their first amendment rights, as I understand those rights. Were only alarmed red-meat Obama haters allowed to call? Did somebody stop them from calling? Did somebody storm the studio? Was it an organized activity, even? No, no, no, no.

Suggest Mr. Barone and his readership all breathe into paper bags, or take a Haldol, until the sense of emergency passes.

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They've already gotten us.

by Locrian_Lyric In reply to Liberals under the bed ag ...

where have you been?

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I swear, talking about politics is depressing.

by OnTheRopes In reply to The coming liberal thugoc ...

Last year while waiting at the DMV I started talking to a man and we were sharing our views on the then current state of the country when a voice out of the seated crowd said, "that's dangerous talk boy." I guess even talking about the sorry state of affairs, as I see it, is cause to tick some people off. For a few minutes there I felt as if I was living in the old Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. Hopefully that kind of reaction is not going to be part of the 'change we need' everyone is talking about.

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