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The Data are Clear - - We MUST act NOW

By maxwell edison ·
Over the past ~140 years (the same period of time the global warming zealots, I mean activists, have mentioned), over which fossil fuels have been burned, thereby causing the proven 1 degree rise in the earth's temperature (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course), resulting in the planet destroying phenomenon we know as global warming, cities have sprung up, not only in the United States, but all over the globe, that have used almost exclusively concrete and steel, two materials that absorb heat at very impressive rates. A new scientific and engineering study will debunk that myth, and suggest instead that global warming is not caused by the burning of fossil fuels, but rather the overuse of common construction materials, particularly concrete. And "big concrete", one of the biggest industries in the United States, has actually taken steps to keep this astonishing study from being made public. In fact, I am being silenced as we speak!

This scientific and engineering study, undertaken by scientists and engineers working under a 4 billion dollar grant from the federal government (but needing more, much more), has provided conclusive and commonly accepted data that has clearly shown the thermal conductive properties of concrete generate 12 BTUs of heat, per hour, per square foot/inch thick slab of concrete; the thermal conductive properties of steel are 325 BTUs per hour; and the thermal conductive properties of aluminum are an astounding 1500 BTUs per hour. When used in construction, these materials act as global heat-sinks, dispersing an unprecedented amount of heat energy into the atmosphere. And its impact on the fragile atmosphere, which was designed (by nothing or nobody, by the way) to absorb ONLY the heat entering the atmosphere as generated by the sun, not the reverse flow caused by these man made heat-sinks, and generated by greedy, selfish, and disgusting human beings.

During the daylight hours, WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING, these materials, world wide, absorb hundreds of trillions of BTUs of heat, which is energy that would have otherwise gone unused and unradiated. At night, when the temperature of the earth drops significantly, the properties of those materials start releasing all that absorbed heat. Engineering studies that used infrared sensors have actually documented this heat release, and have proven conclusively that heat from these materials radiates upwards into the atmosphere, thereby causing an increase in the overall atmospheric temperature. Culminated over decades upon decades of abuse and overuse, the damage is obvious. In fact, in 10 more years, the heat generated will have caused irreversible damage. We must act now. The future of the planet is at stake!

Consider this. In the United States alone, the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, otherwise known as the Interstate Highway System, has over 46,000 miles of paved surface; and considering the construction dimensions of the average slab of Interstate Highway, one can estimate that over 685 BILLION square feet/inch thick of concrete is absorbing heat every day. (And that doesn't even consider the millions of tons of STEEL wire mesh embedded into the concrete.) At 12 BTUs per hour, per square foot/inch thick slab of concrete, one can conservatively document that the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, otherwise known as the Interstate Highway System, alone releases 8.2 TRILLION BTUs (685 billion Sq. Ft. times 12 BTU) of heat each and every night, after the sun goes down. This is heat energy that, before the construction of the Interstate Highway System, would never have been captured, and would never have subsequently been released into our fragile atmosphere.

And that's just the Interstate Highway system in the United States. Let's calculate all the other highways in the world, AND all that steel and aluminum used in those massive buildings in hundreds of cities all over the world, but particularly the United States, of course. (Oh no, let's not; my scientific calculator is misplaced at the moment.) Suffice it to say, however, that hundreds, if not thousands of trillions of BTUs of heat, released by concrete and steel every day, are clearly the cause for the 1 degree rise in average global temperature over the past 140 years (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course). This is heat energy that was not absorbed and subsequently released ~140 years ago, but it is today. The data is clear. Please try to prove these data calculations -- BASED ON FACTS -- wrong, or admit to the obvious conclusion.

I propose the following: I, Maxwell Edison, call to order a meeting of government and heating engineers around the world, to meet in Desoto, Kansas to discuss what the world must to do prevent this heat-loss from our highways and cities from heating the atmosphere, thereby causing global warming. The temperature has, after all, increased 1 degree (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course), and this heat-loss from the construction materials is the cause, as commonly agreed upon by reputable scientists and engineers. I suggest that we write a treaty that all industrialized nations of the world will sign, to not only stop, but to reverse this heating trend. We will call it the Desoto Treaty, or perhaps even the Toto Treaty in case people don't understand that Desoto really is a town in Kansas.

The treaty will outline the obvious solution. We must implement an immediate moratorium on all new construction, whether that be roads or buildings, which uses concrete, steel, or aluminum. Moreover, we must force all these industrialized nations of the world to replace all those building materials currently in use with more environmentally friendly materials. We should further call upon the leaders of these nations, especially the President of the United States, to provide funding for research and development of new technology for these environmentally friendly building materials, and phase out the use of ALL current materials. The United States is, after all, the biggest abuser -- all those highways and skyscrapers; it's consumption, construction, and overbuilding run amok, if you ask me. Of course, to avoid becoming a burden on less affluent nations, we can devise a scheme, I mean a plan, to trade construction material credits. But those details, of course, can be worked out by our good-intentioned friends at the United Nations.

Okay, why am I posting this message? Well, I have one question. What sounds better, the Desoto Treaty or the Toto Treaty?

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This message was edited ONLY to make Neil happy. Neil, you're welcome.

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Ernest, you have my empathy.

by deepsand In reply to Interesting that when a s ...

I'm in the process of packing for a move, and am already at a loss to find things that I know are here somewhere.

Considering that it took me 33 years to accumulate everything, I dread the number of years it will take me to un-pack and re-organize it all.

Realizing that such is most likely an excercise in futility, I've resigned myself to discarding decades of trade and technical publications which are now rarely called into service, but some of which will not doubt be quickly and sorely missed after the move.

Best luck in your endeavors to recover from your move.

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1815-1817

by jerome.koch In reply to Can't remember all the so ...

You don't even need ship logs. Just investigate the diaries of farmers from Europe, New England, Austrailia, and New Zealand.

It snowed on the 4th of July in Maine (1816).
In 1815, blizzards hit much of Europe in October.
It snow in the middle of New Zealand's summer in 1816.
Farmers in New York had snow in May and June

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Its not a claim...

by tryten In reply to Sorry I'm late.

Several million years ago during the Permian-Triassic there was an event known as the "Great Dying" where nearly ALL life was wiped out. This was WAY before dinosaurs, something like 95% of marine life and 80-85% of land life was wiped out. One of the causes to this was a Giant Fissure volcano at the location of present day Siberia. This volcano expelled 1.5 million cubic kilometers of lava from the crust, while Mt. St.Helens only released about 1 cubic kilometer. Given the average temperature of lava is about 2000F, and the sheer volume of lava the atmosphere within several thousands of miles could have easily reached temperatures that would have exceeded 200F possibly in the 400F range. Google "great dying" and read up on this. The volcano was just one of many events that lead to this mass extinction.

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Re volcanic eruptions

by sleepin'dawg In reply to How about the Tar Treaty ...

When Mt St.Helens blew, I was away from home but returned two days later to find a layer of volcanic ash approximately 1/4" thick deposited all over my cars. After hosing them down new deposits were made continuously every day for well over a week after the event. Oh and my house and cars were over 3000 miles east of the event.

Dawg ]:)

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Volcanic carbon dioxide

by neilb@uk In reply to Re volcanic eruptions

Over the last century of measuremets, worldwide volcanic activity has released between about 130 to 230 million tonnes of carbon dioxide each year.

Human activity releases are about 100 time this.

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Mt. St. Helens

by maxwell edison In reply to Volcanic carbon dioxide

In just seven months in 1980, Mt. St. Helens released **0,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide and 220,000 metric tons of sulfur dioxide.

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Do you bother

by neilb@uk In reply to Mt. St. Helens

to check if that is even slightly relevant?

1) Mount St. Helens stopped producing that much. It was a one off. (For now)

2) The USA alone, in a random seven months in 1980, produced around 3,000,000,000 metric tons of CO2 from burning fossil fuels. You haven't stopped and won't stop. In fact, you're producing about 30% more, now.

If we liken St. Helens' CO2 output to a suitable American city, I think JD's hometown fits the bill.

Lies, danm lies and statistics.

And my statistics. Read 'em and weep...

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But your "statistics" are meaningless

by maxwell edison In reply to Do you bother

As it relates to your conclusion. It's the CONCLUSION, dip-stick, that is questionable. If you were to write out the entire thing, the whole cause and effect, and proposed solution, just like I did with the building materials scenario in the beginning of this discussion, both could be viewed the same way - SATIRE. The difference is, I'm pulling legs. But you actually take yourself seriously.

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Seriously?

by neilb@uk In reply to But your "statistics" are ...

Well, I take the issue seriously, yes. That's the problem where there are some subjects that most seem to take seriously and some - like this - where this would seem not to be the case. I guess we have to live with it. Sorry to spoil your joke...

Interesting definition of "satire", though. I always take it to mean the use of irony to attack one of humanity's many vices. (Irony is a bit of a hobby of mine.) So, you are going to have to explain to this dumb Brit how posting the CO2 emissions of Mt St. Helens is satire - or even slightly ironic. I didn't really miss it in the opening piece - it would have been difficult to ignore - but there wasn't an easy way to respond without trivialising something that I don't reckon warrants trivialising.

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3,000,000,000 : **0,000

by Absolutely In reply to Mt. St. Helens

3296 : 1

In the same period of time, cars excreted more than 3000 times as much CO2 as Mount Saint Helens in seven months of 1980, which was the largest volcanic eruption in North America in my lifetime, I'm sure. (Perhaps in the world? In the 20th century?)

Anyway, it was darn big, and I'm very certain that any eruption 3000 times as big as Mount Saint Helens would kill so many of us immediately that civilization would come to an end, and the unfortunate "survivors" would only die slowly. So, let's drop the volcanic activity argument against global warming caused by fossil fuel CO2, please.

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