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The Government Is Spying on Americans

By zlitocook ·
The Government Is Spying on Americans

Documents obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that the FBI is using its Joint Terrorism Task Forces to gather extensive information about peaceful organizations. Recently, President Bush acknowledged giving explicit and secret authorization for warrantless electronic eavesdropping and physical searches by the National Security Agency. Now, there is reason to believe that the Pentagon, too, is illegally gathering and sharing private and protected information.

The actions of the president, his administration, and these agencies are part of a broad pattern of disregard for the rule of law in the name of national security. The ACLU is calling for investigations and full disclosure of records to determine if oaths of office were broken or federal laws violated.
Look at this wab site.
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/index.html

Well it looks like they can do what ever they want!
And I will get more emails saying thatit is for our own protection.

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Mmm, what about the underage girls?

by rob mekel In reply to Good post

So it's all right with you that it's done to underage girls then. If so, you shouldn't be out there altogether. And be the first to get the FBI on your tail.

But then I think that you put it in on outrage of the accusation of the administration of Bush being spy's.

And that is not what they can be accused of.

They do it out in the open .... with maybe a little misusages of some not so clear laws.
And there the ACLU comes in, or an other defender of human rights, if you like.

And your totally right about organisations that seduce any underage kids. There is no place for them in this world.

Rob

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You were looking for dispute

by jdclyde In reply to Mmm, what about the under ...

I did not say anything to promot or excuse undeage girls, but the ACLU has only defendend the RIGHT to "virtual" kiddie porn.

NAMBLA is gay men. They don't seduce little girls, they seduce little boys. Hence the name, National Association Man Boy Love Association. They even tried saying that little boys have a RIGHT to be loved by them. Sick bastardss.

So you NOW understand my last post?

ACLU is also the group that defended Mr. Boomer here in Michigan, known as the "cussing canoeist". He fell out of the canoe and went into a five minute long tirad of swearing, as families went by. He was charged with an old law that is still on the books here in Michigan, prohibitting swearing in front of women and children. Instead of paying the $80 fine, they took it to court to defend his RIGHT to be a degenerate loser in front of families with small children. Thanks to the ACLU, someone can walk up to you on the streets when you have your kids with you and start swearing as much as they like, as long as they like. Yeah, that is good for everyone. Freedom of speech or freedom to be scum. You decide. I have.

As for mentioning this as outrage, no. I will always speak out against this corrupt organization that does not represent a better world. ACLU has long been hijacked and people that have been here for a while know my stance has been VERY consistant about them.

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Sure not on NAMBLA

by rob mekel In reply to You were looking for disp ...

as I too can check the internet. So that part isn't the issue.
So please take a step back and re-read my post. Hope y'll see that I agree upon you.

Not all the way (Mmm reminds me of a song, dirty that's true but love it ) as ACLU does only one thing that is checking if laws/fines/judgments are not in contradiction to the Constitution's Bill of Rights, as in Mr Boomers case the judge/jury did say he was not wrong.
As you well know, it still isn't allowed to, as you state; "walk up to you on the streets when you have your kids with you and start swearing as much as they like, as long as they like"

On the other matter (NAMBLA) if the jurisprudence/ruling says it is okay to do so AND you disagree (as I do) then get the heck to your congressman and pull his legs if he does not agree upon you.

Rob

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crediblity

by jdclyde In reply to Sure not on NAMBLA

the FACT that they would TRY to defend the rights for a group formed exlusively of gay child abusers or wanna-be child abusers should scream out that there is something very wrong with the ACLU.

Sorry, the ACLU can cover NAMBLA's asses in court, the only thing I would cover them with is dirt. Six feet of it. X-(

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that's the trouble

by rob mekel In reply to crediblity

with rights (laws, constitution,)

You (generally spoken) have to defend them or let go of them.

May get accused of discrimination though
But then there are no laws, constitution and so on anymore, so what is there to be defended :D ]:)


Rob

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NO

by jdclyde In reply to crediblity

I don't CARE if you lose YOUR RIGHT to post how-to information to have gay sex with little boys.

I don't feel this is a "right" that ANY civilized society should worry about "losing" because that is a part of becoming civilized.

Either that, or change the laws so that it is perfectly legal to have sex with anything that happens along?

As a culture, we have decided that it is not healthy for childred to be having sex, let alone sex with adults. It seems if you want that, you have to move to a muslim state or Japan and then it is open season.

I really hope your not saying that the ACLU defending NAMBLA was in ANYWAY a good thing?

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Re: NO

by rob mekel In reply to crediblity

I'm definitely not saying I agree to what people/organizations defended by the ACLU stand for.

What I'm saying is that it is good (civilized) that there are organizations that watch over if rights are equal to each and every one of us. (Given the same circumstances etc, etc.)

And yes sometimes that is a pain in the a$$ (excuse le mot) because we don't like the organizations that are helped within the process.

Don't like that either but do know that it is a good thing that there are these kind of organizations.
And again sometimes they are misled so we have to be very cautious on how they develop/what they stand for.


Rob

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Partly agree

by TonytheTiger In reply to Sure not on NAMBLA

ACLU does only one thing that is checking if laws/fines/judgments are not in contradiction to the Constitution's Bill of Rights

They DO tend to pick their cases. I wrote them about Ohio's smoking ban. It states it's to protect employees, yet it excludes tobacco stores (What? Don't those employees deserve the same protection? It's not like non-smokers never work at these places... I know two! And when they claimed it's because they chose to work there, I said, "Same as every other employee in the state.").

They said they weren't interested. I can't help thinking it's because I'm white

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As if the republican party hasn't been taken by a coup, itself.......

by Betelgeuse58 In reply to Good post

>The organization has been hijacked, just like greenpeace, and the Democratic party.< by jdclyde

The ACLU and those like them (EXcluding __political__ 'parties') are very much NEEDED to help ensure that what few checks and balances that were written into the Constitution in the FIRST place are upheld.

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