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The Next Step Towards Free Internet and True Open Source

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Okay, so the new mission of this discussion is to set up a plan to provide practically free internet to the world or to, at a minimum, force ISPs to lower there price to a much lower level which will still be profitable for them (figure $7/month for high speed).
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I think we, as a community of technical experts, can accomplish this. Here is my plan, open for discussion.
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We need to first assume that we will not be able to or even allowed to run any lines across the country. We have to assume the entire communications grid is owned by the telcos and we will have to rent bandwidth from them to connect to all the various sites. But we really only require one fast connection and a wireless system per area. This is the plan on how to get there.
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Step 1: everyone turn off your security features on your home wireless network. Let people access the internet through your line, it's not illegal if you allow them to and you won't be held responsible for their actions. Configure your system to give much higher priority to your computers than everyone else?s, that way you don't experience performance issues but still provide full speed to users when your line is not in use, which is probably the majority of the day.
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Step 2: Local communities need to set up a local infrastructure. New apartments, new neighborhoods, and other local communities should spend some money on a tower and powerful high-speed wireless system to provide free internet to there local communities (figure a 1 mile radius reliable broadcast). The homeowners group or similar organizations could then spend some money for the entire community for one high-speed connection. Security should be disabled at this access point, ideally.
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Step 3: IT fellows should create a freeware program (later to be integrated into windows and OSx) that allows you to dynamically send and receive packets on multiple connections. It needs to detect the networks and determine quickly what routes to take for a given packet.
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I don't know if anyone is familiar with Ham radio, but a lot of the ham repeaters already have this setup. We just need to expand it past the hobbyists. There are allot of free long range repeaters out there, every town has at least one. We need to expand all of these to allow internet traffic, paid for by donations, state/town contributions and such. Home wireless cards will probably require an amplifier and may require you to mount your antenna on your roof.
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I would effectively call this new free global wireless network fgw: free global wireless. In the long run it will take on a life of its own, perhaps creating the breading grounds for a new independent internet.

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Flaw in your logic HAL 9000, "What are you doing Dave?"

by winthrop.polk In reply to Free means free...

If I can be held responsible for what goes in and out of my access point, then the ISP can be held just as responsible for what goes in and out of their access point (which is in series with my access point). All this child porn and terrorist activities goes through there systems just as it goes through mine and if there security can't stop it mine certainly can't. With or without security, this will always be possible; no system is 100% secure.

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Yep your right

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Free means free...

And they are the ones who report it to the Authorities.

After all they are not responsible for what their customers do just the same as when you sell something you are not responsible for what the seller choses to do with the item you sell.

Unless of course you specifically sell something who's sole purpose is to circumvent something and perform a crime. :0

The Sorry Dave I can not allow you to do that argument doesn't work here as the Masses would scream out that they are being Censored.

However in the case of Kiddy Porn provided you can supply the name of the Perp you are OK. But with Open WiFi Access points the trail stops at the owner of that open WiFi Port and they are the one responsible for what comes through it. In the case of Terrorist Activity once you accept that every bit of Telephony Communication is monitored and tracked when it throws up a Red Light just who do you really think that the Authorities will pay a visit to when they want to stop something going on? Your argument just doesn't fit with the Real World as it's a crime to use the Post or Telephone System to commit a Crime but this is very rarely Policed where as the ISP are Obligated to Report Activity to the Authorities and to prevent themselves problems you had better believe that they will be unwilling to take the wrap for something that they have no control over. Best case scenario if they catch your WiFi Point doing something like this they will terminate your Account but the Reality is they will leave it open Monitor the Traffic and freely give this to the Authorities to prevent problems for themselves.

Col

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HAL, I care less

by winthrop.polk In reply to Free means free...

I care about right and wrong, the law is supposed to reflect that. Everything is fine with them investigating me if something like this occurs, but if I am convicted of any wrong doing, this is not right I tell you. Like you say, if I intentionally set up the system for kiddies porn yes I should be held responsible; but I'm not! I just want people to have a good free reliable widespread and truly anonymous way of accessing the internet. What they do with it is between them and the law. Granted I am an idealist and this has gotten me into trouble, but I can't be any other way, it's who I am. If I own a gun shop and someone buys a gun and kills someone, I would not be held responsible as I shouldn't be. I would be talked to though, which is fine and cooperable.

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winthrop, 'right', 'wrong', the law, and what you want.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Free means free...

Are four different things.

"I care about right and wrong, the law is supposed to reflect that. ... I just want people to have a good free reliable widespread and truly anonymous way of accessing the internet. What they do with it is between them and the law."

The law isn't about right and wrong; it's about what lawmakers have determined is or isn't a crime.

As to what people do being between them and the law, you've inserted yourself between those users and the public airwaves. You're providing the transmission medium. If / when the Feds show up, you probably will be able to eventually convince them you're not the criminal. If you're lucky they'll camp out in your apartment and monitor the traffic through your router to determine the actual criminal. They'll probably be there a few months since they'll want plenty of evidence and to determine if there's more than one, track the criminal's other activity, etc. If you bake them cookies every day they may only charge you with being an accessory and let you off with probation and community service; I suggest you use that time teaching others to secure their communications.

If you're willing to take that chance, leave your wireless connection unsecure. I'm still reasonably sure this violates the terms of service of your ISP. That's a case for civil court, not criminal, but that's one you don't stand a chance of winning and will only cost you money, not time.

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OKAY OKAY, ENOUGH KIDDIE PORN ALREADY!!

by winthrop.polk In reply to Free means free...

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to let the FBI in if they show me some evidence that proves my system is being used for kiddie porn. But lets move away from the kiddie porn argument. In the end, I will probably be required to creat a new or modify an existing bottom layer protocol to accomplish what I want. There is no reason I couldn't simply require people to register for an account.

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But getting people to Register

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Free means free...

Is exactly what you don't want here isn't it?

After all if they register what's to stop a charge being applied latter?

And it's not only Kiddy Porn it's all Legal Instances just with Kiddy Porn the results against the person involved are fairly dramatic. But with the Patriotic Act that may no longer be the issue and you could have the Feds bust in and charge you before they even investigate anything.

After sitting in a Jail for 8 months or longer while they do the Investigation isn't much fun and much more importantly just how many do you honestly believe will believe that you are Innocent of the Crime after they release you?

Do you remember OJ?

The Law said he was Innocent but that is about the only group who claim to believe that. :0

Col

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Well, I would prefer to maintain anonymity, However

by winthrop.polk In reply to Free means free...

However, I would really only be required to do what Comcast and AT&T do. People could still easy be anonymous. For example, when I call to set up service, they ask certain information such as address, name, etc. but never actually verify it with any form of ID. It's all usually done over the phone or internet. So, there is no reason people couldn't just give them false information. Now, this won't accomplish much if you?re setting it up at home since the address will be required to be valid to start the service and the address is linked to you. Perhaps it would work well if you had anonymous access to a for sale house or abandoned office complex, but you would still have to pay and this would only accomplish being anonymous. For this system, there is no central address requiring service installation so all information can be falsified if the user's primary goal is anonymity and is required to register. The only way he/she could be track is with triangulation.

Yes, there is the danger that this Idea will be stolen to make a profit rather than it's original intent. So I would prefer to stay away from registering requirements.

I have an idea that would add significant cost but, I think, would provide sufficient protection for me if something illegal happens on my network. What if I setup my own triangulation system and log where each transmission comes from. The user would of course be informed of this, and could move their location accordingly; but at least I have a record of where the transmission came from. This would probably only be required in the first stages of this system development when "they" will be watching me specifically for providing this loop whole service.

This is just an idea. Really though, they can't hold me to a higher standard than they do starbucks or any other free wifi provider. Starbucks undoubtedly has some security in regards to detecting kiddie porn words and preventing access to certain illegal sites. But even this can be overcome by use of a proxy and encryption. Any system can be hacked. I am 99% positive that some one somewhere has used these free wifi spots for illegal activity. I do not think that the owner would be held responsible.

Besides, I plan to access this system the same way everyone else does so their will be no distinction between them and me and I could not be held responsible. They could make it a pain in the @$$, but I don't think I would ever be convicted nor should I be.

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I don't think you understand that Companies

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Free means free...

Like Starbucks are held responsible for what goes through their systems. So to that end they put in place a very advanced Security System to prevent any Illegal Content being Accessed.

The same applies to Corporate entities as well if someone downloads Illegal Material from the Net on their Systems the Corporation is Held Responsible and can be prosecuted. Though the chances of a Business being sent to Jail is remote but their Principals are responsible and the ones who will face any charges that arise, and they will certainly help the Authorities as much as possible to catch the offender but they will still wear a substantial Fine.

Many People have served or are serving time for Illegal Content being access through their Internet connection. Just because you have never heard of this doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

If you want proof of this walk into an Airport open your NB up connect to the Hot spot there and Google Aircraft Bombs and see just how long you are left alone. It will not be very long.

Col

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Well, that aint right@!

by winthrop.polk In reply to Free means free...

True true. But the authorities who investigate such situations have to have the understanding the no computer system is ever secure. If starbucks provides free wifi but doesn't put any protections in place, then yes, they could be held responsible due to negligence. However, if they do implement security to the best of their ability, they shouldn't be held responsible. If they are really going to hold them responsible, they should really just outlaw the internet all together, since every access point is easily compromised by an outside user. If what you are saying is true, there are a lot of innocent people in prison and that's terrible. "Innocence is a term used to indicate a state of moral purity or general lack of guilt, with respect to any kind of crime, sin, or wrongdoing. Its antonym is corruption. In a legal context, innocence refers to the lack of guilt of an individual, with respect to a crime." I use the first definition here. There are many laws in this country that are unjust, but are still laws all the same. Most of them are not enforced. For example, it is currently illegal to spit on the ground in Dodge City Kansas and areas of Virgina (perhaps elsewhere to). The development of society?s laws is an evolutionary process, with many wrong turns and u-turns. Right and wrong has to be factored into the thought process, though it rarely is.

Definitely take a look at this:
http://www.idiotlaws.com/

http://www.idiotlaws.com/you-may-not-use-your-bathroom-if-the-window-is-open/
This one definitely shows that thought has to be put into the process.


By the way, it isn't illegal to search aircraft bomb in an airport, though I wouldn't be surprised if you end up in Guantanimo Bay within a day. I wouldn?t be surprise in the least if this post has already been flagged by the FBI simply for the key words it contains. Hi FBI guy! No malicious intent here. Just discussion. Go profile someone else and destroy there freedoms instead. But we still write. I am not willing to give up my freedoms. ?We hold these truths to be self evident??

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Well I will not argue about the Stupidity of Some Laws

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Free means free...

But just for your information the FBI doesn't monitor Telephony it lacks the resources and manpower to do this work. There is however another larger Organization in your country who does monitor all Telephony transactions across most of the world and then gives out reverent bits to interested parties.

I used to work for them many years ago so I have some small idea of what they actually do and how they do it.

Col

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