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By santeewelding ·
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I had occasion to use the word, "all", in a sentence. The prompt, of course, was singular third-person, "is", as in, "all is". Trouble being, "all" can't be, "is". It might with argument be, "are", explicitly or implicitly, the latter of which I chose in the sentence in order to get the job done.

"All" can't be "is" because "all" can't be tidied up into singular with boundary.

Do you ken?

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It's 12 o'clock

by GSG In reply to The other day

and all are well. Hmmm.. I'll stick with is as are doesn't sound right.

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Plural "are"

by santeewelding In reply to It's 12 o'clock

Implies you reason only about the plurals you meet "inside" the unbounded, which has no "outside". Singular "is" says you bound "all", which defeats the word and leaves you with some gnarly explaining to do.

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by AnsuGisalas In reply to Plural "are"

the noun plural doesn't relate at all to the potential real or imagined multiplicity of the referents of the word.
In other words, agreement deals only with the property of the word, not with the properties of entities it is used to refer to.
Compare: The committee has decided to postpone ruling on the matter, due to a lack of pink-glazed donuts.
The committee is a word in it's singular, so it takes singular agreement.
Of course, unlike all, committee can be pluralized.
All can't very well be... unless you have a license to kill, like you and I.
School grammar teachers are less endowed, and may not - barring in their spare time, on an amateur license.

Returning to bounding, which is very interesting.
Try exposing a bounded all to "catastrofic unbounding" ... for example:
"God knew he'd be in trouble when Ma woke up... what a mess he'd made - there was All all over the living room - in fact, there was All all over most of the front lawn as well... He caught himself wondering if **** really was as bad as everybody said... maybe he could run away and hide there?"

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all are well

by pfeiffep In reply to Plural "are"

implies all folks.......

Y'all come back now y'hear

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Good observation...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to all are well

plural agreement also favors a distributive interpretation : each entity referred to with "all" is well, individually and independently.
Singular agreement favors a collective interpretation : the whole mess of entities, seen as a unit or conglomerate entity - is well.
This corresponds roughly to the verbal number found in some languages - they discern whether there is a singular action (of a singular actor or a collective of actors) or plural actions (performed singularly by many actors).
"We all went to the beach together" is collective - there is only one going, but one going with many participants.
"We all came to this conclusion sooner or later" - this is most likely distributive - each comes to the conclusion, but not together and not at the same time.

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by TonytheTiger In reply to The other day

is singular when it refers to a singular entity.

"All of the city was under water after the storm."

All is plural when it refers to plural entities.

"All of the people were drowned."

Sometimes the reference is not specifically stated.

"When the boat sank, all were lost."

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That's not really all though

by AnsuGisalas In reply to All,

In those two first cases all is just a quantifier, looksee:
"All of the people were drowned"
"All of the city was under water after the storm"
The last one is interesting, but I guess some boring people will say it's simply a case of ellipsis...

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I hope...

by jck In reply to That's not really all tho ...

that's all. :^0

(I never liked English class...)

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Hi there.

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to The other day

Just passin' through...

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by pfeiffep In reply to Hi there.

take of your hat and sit a spell

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