After Hours

General discussion

Locked

The other day

By santeewelding ·
Tags: Off Topic
I had occasion to use the word, "all", in a sentence. The prompt, of course, was singular third-person, "is", as in, "all is". Trouble being, "all" can't be, "is". It might with argument be, "are", explicitly or implicitly, the latter of which I chose in the sentence in order to get the job done.

"All" can't be "is" because "all" can't be tidied up into singular with boundary.

Do you ken?

This conversation is currently closed to new comments.

Thread display: Collapse - | Expand +

All Comments

Collapse -

He demonstrated his knowledge of the language

by NickNielsen In reply to Subject and Verb Agreemen ...

by ignoring the rules...

Collapse -

Out of sight...

by jck In reply to He demonstrated his knowl ...
Collapse -

OK, why not?

by seanferd In reply to The other day

All of this stuff are? Wait, no: All your base are belong to us.

i think it is a bit like the way we deal with amounts. Some things can be definitely quantified, other nouns do not lend themselves to such. (How much vs. how many.)

Collapse -

"all"

by santeewelding In reply to OK, why not?

Means, All; shorthand for, Absolute, capitalized. The only way you get away with this is to set "all" equal to "is"; not, subject to verb.

Boxfiddler played with it above. Only, there can be no alternative to absolute "is" -- not even, "is not". Unsurprising, since both something and nothing comprise "is".

Thou art that. Both. Holds for all that is.

Collapse -

All, absolute, capitalized.

by seanferd In reply to "all"
Collapse -

In your example...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to OK, why not?

the problem is with "stuff", not with "all... are".
"Stuff" can't never "are", because it's a mass noun.

Foodstuffs are a different matter, on account of pluralization making it into a sort noun. Like this wine is nice, those wines are horrible - wine is a mass noun in singular, but a sort noun in the plural. With a classifier the mass noun word becomes quantifiable without turning it into a sort noun : "These bottles of wine are spoiled"... in this case it could all be the same sort of wine, or it could be different sorts or any combination of the two - it's a singular object noun (a different type than the other two).

There are also set nouns which denote a set of entities, these often stay singular even with numeric quantification (in languages where set nouns are the norm, most nouns behave like english "sheep" - one sheep, two sheep, etc.
More accurately they can be seen as having a finite, definite set of entities to choose from and the numeric quantifier works similarly to the english sentences "three of sheep" or "three of the (relevant) population of X".

Sorry if I got lectury, I just thought I'd share some strange trivia.

Have I mentioned that there are languages where numerals (and colors) are handled like verbs?
"The sheep was threeing on the lawn, eating"
"My uncle was the sheep blacking of the family"

Collapse -

Ooooh!

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to In your example...

Making me the sheep blacking... :^0

Collapse -

Catfish.

by seanferd In reply to Ooooh!

Making me the catfish blacking so I can make me some blackened catfish. Mmmm.

Collapse -

Exactly.

by seanferd In reply to In your example...

No, I find it all to be quite interesting.

Collapse -

really

by pfeiffep In reply to Exactly.

Related Discussions

Related Forums