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The War Is In Iraq.

By jardinier ·
When a discussion has passed the 150 postings mark, I think it might be a good idea to start a fresh one to get back to the original topic.

The way things are going, we might end up discussing the Civil War or the War of Independence.

Mallard's discussion: "Time To Pay The Piper" has certainly proved to be an excellent vehicle for the exchange of views, experiences and general information.

Good one, Duck!

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The stories you cite

by road-dog In reply to Questions Needing Answers

are getting more coverage on the net than on print and video media. As for the desecration of the allied graves, the French government has acknowledged the events and responded with sadness. Personally, is am mistrustful of their sincerity, but I will reserve judgement in absence of evidence. If greater police protection of these sacred sites happens or if those who perpetrated this obscenity are caught and charged I may find some redemption for the French government.

As for that SOB that fragged the command tents of the 101st, I hope that he gets a speedy trial followed by a good old fashioned hanging. I suspect that he will be sentenced to life in Leavenworth.

The Iraqis are now threatening "unconventional" warfare, which I take tomean that their troops will wear uniforms and not use civilians as shields. They might even cease operating from hospitals, schools and mosques.

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my $.02

by MallardtooXX In reply to Questions Needing Answers

the French are all bastards, they will always be so and I think we should bring those boys home now because the ingrates obviously cannot handle the responsibility of having our dead there. They knocked over several grave stones and desicrated countless other sites it is atrocious and should be condemned vigorously. There are 56000 American men that gave up their lives in their youth to free them and this is how they are repaid. Typical.

As for the Concientious Objector in the 101st, I beg to differ on his fate. I think a hanging is too nice, firing squad too quick and life in prison too light. The should put a granade up his.. and then tie the pin to a car and make him jog along beside it, if he can outlast the car then he can have the firing squad otherwise well you get the drift.

I have heard nothing about the family running the guard post so I have no comment other than if it is true than it is too bad. Remember this WAR IS **** and this is a reminder of that fact.


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I'll Drive!!!!

by jkaras In reply to my $.02

Thanks for the input as to the validity of these reports both Duck and dog (hmmm.... sounds like a good title for a sitcom)The grave story made me quite angry and hope something will be done. As for the turncoat, I wondered since I've never served Idont know what the penalty is for fratracide, let alone higher ranking officers (like in dirty dozen was hanging)Hearing word of mouthof these stories made me wonder whether they were accurate or propaganda, or poor humor. I like offensive humor, but there is a line that just cant be crossed. However I really like your solution duck and I offer my services to drive, as for the stuffing of said grenade I'll pass, either you can take that one or we could offer a bidding war to the lucky guy that wants to stuff that turkey. Maybe a lottery to fund an education program for the French to get a clue,.... wait a minute, there just isn't enough money to throw at that lost cause.
P.S. How about all the countries opposed to this war all of a suddenwanting to jump on our side for a piece of the pie? All aboard!! The band wagon is departing. How pathetic, really!!

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Not that one

by dcosgrove In reply to my $.02

I think the individual in question is the one who tried to frag his co's. I think the consciencious objector was a reservist. The man who threw the grenades will undoubtedly spend his life "making little rocks out of big rocks" as we used to say when I was in the 101st. I don't think he will be tried for treason, his status as a Muslim seem coincidental at this point. He was a problem soldier and he had just been sent out of the combat force and was upset with his leadership. It's far to glamourous to attribute him with some sort of moral dillema, he was just an idiot. We unfortunately have a couple fraggings in most combat scenarios where soldiers try to kill superiors for some reason or other. I knew an E-5 who supposedly blew up a bradley for that purpose. According to post legend he was still having money deducted to pay it off, fanciful but he was the oldest E-5 I ever met.

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Rush Limbaugh

by admin In reply to Questions Needing Answers

Both of those items were broadcast yesterday by Rush himself. I was listening to the program while driving out to one of our offices. According to this broadcast the French cleaned it up immediately.
He also talked about a reservist who claims thatno where in the recruitment process or since (until the war) was he ever told that the military killed people, so now that he knows, he wants out. Go figure.

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How can you join the military

by kethry127 In reply to Rush Limbaugh

and not figure out that it might mean taking a life? As I recall, through at all of history, militaries have gone to war and generally that's meant having to kill someone. They weren't weaving baskets. If that's his excuse he needs a swift kick for being boneheaded.

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by admin In reply to How can you join the mili ...

wow, something I think nearly everyone from every POV on this issue can probably agree with :)

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Actually that guy is high

by LordInfidel In reply to yep.

I joined in 88, and unless the induction ceremony has changed. He knew what he was getting into.

AR 601-270 covers this in detail:

“You are about to be inducted into the Armed Forces ofthe United States, in the Army, the Air Force, or the Marine
Corps, as indicated by the Service announced following
your name when called. You will take one step forward
as your name and Service are called and such step will
constitute your induction into the Armed Forces indicated.”

“I,___(Name) , do solemnly swear (or affirm) that
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United
States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; and I
will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that
I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me,
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military
Justice. So help me God.”

If he said those words or even pretended to say them. Then he is screwed.

There was a question about consientious objection. If he waived it, then he does not have a leg to stand on.

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hehehe that's what we are agreeing on

by admin In reply to Actually that guy is high

yep. Legally, common sense wise from pretty much every possible angle he's dust.

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Change or memory glitch?

by Oldefar In reply to Actually that guy is high

Although I took the oath on 3 occaissions, it seems that it has changed in the past couple of decades.

"I will obey the LAWFUL orders of the President of the United States and of the officers appointed over me" is how I remember it. In fact, theissue was specific based on the Nuremberg trials where following orders was not a defense for war crimes.

Why the change, or is my memory failing?

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