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Things that bug me Rant!!! (join in the fun)

By Ciderick ·
Ok, after just being shouted down in the street by a preacher who I told 'I am not interested', I am now going to off-load on you guys (& gals) because even if you disagree with me you are intelligent & thought provoking...

Here goes...

1) Religion.

I do not care what religion you are, I have already decided for my self which one I am following & I do not ram it down your throat now do I? please don't ram yours down my throat.

2) Intelligent Design.

Ummm... people, this is not the dark ages, wake up & smell the primordal ooze.

3) Abortion

A woman has a right to decide on her own body, I really have nothing to do with that - However, I would like to see a decrease in 'vanity' abortions - I don't care about your figure or any stretchmarks that may appear - neither should your other half - & incidentally, if you are working on building a career then you should have been more careful (& if you are really serious then you can work out a way to have both).

4) Drugs

Yes please

5) Same sex marriage

If you love someone then why the **** not???

6) Divorce

All good with me. If you have fallen out of love with someone then why suffer?

7) Iraq/George Bush etc etc...

George is a moron, war is wrong. But you voted him in, get over it.


Just plain wrong - we're all equals here.

9) Racism

Same thing.

10) Smoking in public places.

Give bars & restaurants a choice. I am sure there are some who make money out of the non-smoking thing & equally sure there are some who are loosing money & would like to let people smoke.

Ok, that covers it for now - thank you for letting me vent a little steam. I look forward to seeing your replies - (Jardinier, that means you too - I actually like your reasoning even if I disagree with some of the things you say. Maxwell, you're invited too)

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Absolutely Mae

by Jellimonsta In reply to I disagree with this

Please do not think I look down my nose at you due to your divorce. The issues may have been issues that could have been worked through. However, it sounds like it was your ex who needed to work through them. If he was unwilling to do so, you need to preserve your own life, and mental health before his.
In my initial Email, I said that I do not think anyone should suck it up and stay married through 50 years of ****, I suggested those couples should work on their issues and get back to why they 'loved' each other, and got married in the first place.

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Marriage and lust

by jardinier In reply to RE: Divorce

As a Christian you should know that St Paul cited lust as the ONLY acceptable reason to get married:

KJV Version:
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

RSV Version:
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.

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hey Jardinier

by rob mekel In reply to Marriage and lust

Isn't this more to get life-support as they lived in a time that being a widow meant that condemd widows to welfare AND as there was no welfare in those days had nothing?

And what about the widowers and the never married ones? They should all marry for lust???

I don't think so!


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Go tell St Paul

by jardinier In reply to hey Jardinier

It was his statement, not mine.

And I deliberately gave two translations just to make it quite clear what he meant.

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I know

by rob mekel In reply to Go tell St Paul

And y're right not making it your statement.

You just did give me the idea that you would subscribe the statement of St Paul as you say: "As a Christian you should know? giving me the idea that you appealed to yourself (and maybe others) as being Christians who should agree upon St Paul's statement. My mistake

Would be interesting to know what he would have stated about the non-widows with burning love or who can not exercise self-control being aflame with passion, now would it.


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"As a Christian you should know"

by jardinier In reply to Go tell St Paul

This was directed at Jelli because I already know that he is a Christian -- and a moderate one -- praise the Lord.

Regarding your most recent post, H.G. Wells wrote a marvellous novel: "The Soul of a Bishop."

A certain English Bishop was beset with problems, not the least of which was a married priest who had committed adultery.

"But M'Lord," the priest pleaded. " I was married and still I burned."

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So that is where

by rob mekel In reply to Go tell St Paul

"He is marying into ****" comes from. ]:)

And further more why RC-priests live in celibacy
Although it would be the ultimate place to save souls :^0


ps could be "She is .... into ****" aswell, can't it.

edited because of those: Bloody emoticons (oops other discussion)

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by jardinier In reply to Go tell St Paul

was also recommended by Jesus, but only for those who felt a special calling:

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

In 1 Corithians Chapter 7 (I recommend that you read the whole chapter) the reason given is:

1 Corinthians 7:32-34 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

As for mandatory celibacy of RC priests (and nuns), my own suspicion is that it is because it costs the church a lot less to support a single (unmarried) person than a whole family.

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Jules, not sure I agree with you there....

by Jellimonsta In reply to Marriage and lust

[q]For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to take a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God.
First Letter of St. Paul to the Thessalonians 4:3-5[/q]

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by Ciderick In reply to Jules, not sure I agree w ...

So I guess neither of you saw #1 in my first post then...

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