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This is a loosing battle!!!

By secure_lockdown ·
My background: F/T Employed systems/network administrator with over 7 years experience. I am worried that I have been at my job too long and if I don't move soon - I may not be marketable in the IT field anymore.

I have been looking for an entry level job in Information Security for 2 years now. I did professional upgrading, got the expensive certification and even took some consulty jobs on the side to get more security experience. I have tried EVERYTHING and I must have applied EVERYWHERE. I can't seem to find a job to save my life. What is going on this the IT field! Why is it so dead! What am I doing wrong!

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Of course

by Oz_Media In reply to Well there you go

Obviously whencompanies wer efirst building networks and IT was 'in it's prime' so to speak, there were more IT opporunities available and higher salaries in general.

Your posts here show that you want to insist that the market is dying and you are in a rut that you can't escape due to a tougher market.

This is a market much like the auto service industry in that it has become a necesssity. Everyone MUST have a computer now, like it or not, if they want to get ahead. MCSE's are churned out like ground beef through a meat grinder, certs are practically a high school training program now. The thing to remember though is that just like mechanics, there are good ones and bad ones, believe me when I say the bad ones stand out and the good ones are remembered.

You just have to be different than everyone else ad stand out a little more. IT staff are like animals at the farm now, you don't name them because you never know how long they'll be around.

You should still cold call some companies, I have proven this so many times and it is fool proof. Yes, you will be rejected, told to FO etc. get used to it and keep going. You are calling them with an OFFER remember, sales is not THAT easy.

Good luck but remember, "if you don't think you can succeed you'll be 100% right every time."

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High School

by jdmercha In reply to Of course

My sons high school teaches MS Office, Cisco and A+ certification courses.

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by Oz_Media In reply to High School

Thankfully when I was in school we learned trades, not jobs.

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Something Smells Fishy

by dmwoodcock In reply to Everyone's reality is dif ...

How can we have a shortage of IT jobs if Corporate America is trying to get an increase in H1B's etc...America does not have enough qualified IT folks that will work for minimum wage. We have seen this before, they come, they learn, only to return to their countries and work for cheap labor. What we need to do is colloborate with our IT brothers and sisters around the world and strike. If monkey's can write code and program routers cheaper, hire them. We will all just transition into our new occupations faster.

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By the way - An Addendum

by maxwell edison In reply to Look At Reality

If I went out on a mission to "find a job", and it would be a "mission", I would not go anywhere near those huge corporations that employ hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of people. I would stay away from the stereo-typical human resources departments, and I would stay away from head-hunters and job placement firms. I would stay away from all those things that usually pigeon-hole people into whatever definition suits their bureaucracy.

In my "approach" of sharing my vision for improving a company's product and/or profit (usually they go hand-in-hand), I don't want it to fall on deaf -- or ignorant -- ears. So where would I go?

Small firms:

* Represent more than 99.7 percent of all employers.
* Employ more than half of all private sector employees
* Pay 44.5 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
* Generate 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually.
* Create more than 50 percent of nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
* Supplied 22.8 percent of the total value of federal prime contracts (about $50 billion) in FY 2001.
* Produce 13 to 14 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms. These patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.
* Are employers of 39 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer workers ) .
* Are 53 percent home-based and 3 percent franchises.
* Made up 97 percent of all identified exporters and produced 29 percent of the known export value in FY 2001.

In my opinion:

* It's easier to get your foot into the door -- share your vision -- with a small firm.
* It's easier to make an impact, and do it faster, with a small firm.
* It's easier to show how you can really improve a product, process or profit with a small firm.
* True, small firms have higher failure rates, but what an opportunity to really make an impact, helping to avoid such an outcome.
* And conversely, the success factor can be exponentially greater than a mega-firm.

Find a small firm that's in the business of producing something (either tangible or intangible) that's of great interest to you, and show them how you can use Information Technology and/or computing technology to help them do it even better. And there's your job.

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I agree 100%

by jdmercha In reply to By the way - An Addendum

This is a very good strategy, if you are currently unemployed, looking to build your resume, learn a new skill, or are looking for job satisfaction. (I have rarely seen this spelled out so well.)

But for those of us who have already done that, small firms can't match the opportunities or salaries of larger firms. In my case its the low salary that has me looking now.

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On "small firm" salaries

by maxwell edison In reply to I agree 100%

Negotiating salaries with small firms can provide a huge opportunity as well. Smaller salaries to start might be the norm, but performance bonuses and/or performance reviews can be used to advance very quickly, at least as far as salary is concerned (short-term pain, long term gain). A person might say, "Sure, I can take the smaller salary to start, but will you be willing to evaluate my contributions after a predetermined amount of time, and adjust my salary accordingly?" Most small businesses would be more than willing to do this -- looking for the win-win. Of course, a person has to be able to contribute in a positive -- and profitable -- way in order to make this work.

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by secure_lockdown In reply to On "small firm" salaries

hi - you may have missed a part of my original post. "looking for a position in informatino security".

i am in the "middle" of my career - looking to specialize. if i wanted to continue handling level 1 and level 2 support calls all day long - i could turn off my brain and stay at my current job until i retire. i could probably also leave and get another junior level postion at less income somewhere else (smaller company!!) - they would be thrilled to land somewone with my experience at that pay rate.

my point is - there are no mid-level jobs!! my current job could easlily go to someone who is just entering the industry - it would be an excellent learning ground for them.

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TRY this

by Oz_Media In reply to

open a phone book, cruise through ALL the companies the YOU want to work for.

Write out a short list introducing yourself and your successes and schivements with your last employer, not just "obtained CCNE" but "Managed to increase productivity by 8% or increased sales volume by 14% or reduced losses by... An actual achievement or success that benefitted the company, not just you.

Start calling the companies you have chosen to hit, ask for the NAME of the person in charge (not HR, not who accepts resumes etc.) you want the BOSSES NAME.

Once you have the name,ask if the person is available. If they aren't, when you call back, "it's John calling for Rick." Not some guy looking for work.

If Rick isn't there find out when he will be and CALL BACK! WHEN (not if) you get Rick on the phone, pitch him. Sell yourself, your ideas, what YOU will bring to the table and how YOU will benefit the company. YOu need to be a salesman on a cold call here, it is a hard skill for many to learn but an invaluable one.

So you spoke to the boss and pitched your ideas, now what? Well, Rick, would I be able to take a quick moment of your time to meet with you and discuss opportunities further? If not, "Do you know of anyone else that could use someone with my abilities and drive?" Still cold? Next call.

If you can't get at least 5 interviews in the first week, find a new career. Don't call 1, 5, or even 10 companies a day, call 30, 40 or even 50. Sales is a numbers game and in this case, you are a salesman selling yourself.

NOW, if Rick says that sounds great but all of our alications MUST go through HR (this is good by the way, at this point)have him transfer your call DIRECTLY to the HR department.

The HR people now have THEIR boss forwarding an applicant to them, much more clout on your part and you will be noticed.

Your pitch, "I was just talking with Rick about a suitable position within your company and he liked my ideas but said that I had to go through the formality of applying to HR. YOu are in like flint, they wil never question the boss and you WILL be noticed, your name WILL e recognized and if your resume is eyecatching and has something to make it apear different from others (at a glance) you will be found.

Do this over and over again, you WILL find the job of YOUR choice in two to three weeks. I have a 98% success record working with unemployed people and helping them find work this way. It is practically infallible but takes work, dedication and b**ls.

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by jdmercha In reply to

I agree that most available IT jobs today are low-level and low-paying. There are very few mid to upper level IT jobs.

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