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By jardinier ·
This is NOT an attempt to reopen the EL thread.

It is however a tragic comment on the mentality of ****** .... I can't complete this sentence for fear of being accused of America bashing.

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A Gallup Poll released Wednesday suggests about 53 percent of Americans reject the theory of evolution as the explanation for the origin of humans.

Instead, they believe God created humans at one time "as is," the survey showed.

About 31 percent of respondents said they believe humans evolved, but God guided the process. Only 1.2 percent said they believe the scientific theory of evolution and "God had no part."

Researchers said people with lower levels of education, those who attend church regularly, those who are 65 or older and those who identify with the Republican Party are more likely to believe in the biblical story of the origin of humans.

The poll was conducted in September but no margin of error figures or other information was available.

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Julian Doesn't understand scripture either

by X-MarCap In reply to You paint with a broad br ...

That's what he gets for reading other people's mail.

Julian, In Most Church type organizations there is the position of Elder, sometimes translated Bishop or Presbyter.

These men function as the older, wiser heads that get invested with the actual power to lead large groups of Christians. The noisy children make noise, but they don't steer the ship...

Occasionally, a pastor goes off the reservation, but, most often, they get disciplined quietly and the problem goes away...

In the mainline churches we have the solution to the radical. We put their energy to work and make them create change as a positive force. Slowly, they grow mainstream. The only thing you need to worry about is being too obnoxious in your attacks on "Mainstream Christians and evangelicals". Eventually people like you will make others think it is OK to attack Christians.

This was prophesized to happen about 2000 years ago that it would happen sometime. When it does happen, all the gloves come off, and it is Armageddon. And, if you read, the evangelicals are the ones who win because of unbelievably impressive firepower against the hordes of the Anti-Christ and Gog and Magog. Who is the Anti-Christ? Maybe you if you live in the East. I don?t know if you are the Anti-Christ, but you are an anti-Christ.

Know this. On the plains of Armageddon, the enemy's blood runs bridle deep (6-8 feet deep) and the 500 Million Man army (Could this be CHINA?) was coming against Israel. Now the question is why you don't believe in anything Christian. If Christians are wrong, then it is no big deal. If they are right, you are going to **** and many more people who don't believe what the evangelicals believe will be joining you.

That does include the people who aren't either hot or cold. That means moderate Christians are setting themselves up to burn in ****, and worse yet they should know it, but they are not interested enough to pay the slightest attention to the scriptures they should base their lives on...

What you should worry about is not the Christian because he is waiting for a King that was killed and buried. What you should worry about is the idiots who are willing to kill for Allah. This may sound unchristian, but as a governmental policy we need to exterminate terrorism and all organizations that support terror against our citizens. This ideology for a Christian comes under rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar?s. Caesar makes war? If that includes religious organizations that are condoning slaughter of innocents, so be it. This includes abortion for many people the baby/fetus is helpless. That is why abortion is such an anathema to many people.

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I'm not anti-Christ

by jardinier In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

I am anti-crap. Your post is filled with the greatest amount of codswallop I have seen gathered together in one place.

There is no bishop or elder for these people who describe themselves as "Bible Based." They are strongly against denominations and prefer to worship in small home groups. Those who attend a church of an established denomination, carefully screen the teaching that is given.

One of the greatest abominations -- which is a major worry to the more intelligent of these people -- are the American mega televangelists who dish out "Prosperity" teaching. "Follow Jesus and you will accrue material wealth." How Christian is that? These people, such as Benny Hinn, are an authority unto themselves and do not account for where the huge amount of money collected is spent.

"Render unto Caesar?" Give me a break. That only refers to paying taxes.

And what precisely do you mean by: "That's what he gets for reading other people's mail."

I have been an active participant in these discussions for several months and guess what -- the more scholarly members have considerable respect for my views.

A private message from one of the most scholarly and also spirit-filled members:

Hi Julian...
As I pass through this life I come across a person a little unique in some ways and you are one of those people.
And you are most correct, these people here if this is what they think being saved is well, God help them. Very few I can call a brother.
Thank you Julian, and you are one I call my brother and my friend.
Be happy Julian.
Suzy

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That's funny Jules

by Oz_Media In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

The same poster has been makign absurd assertions in other threads too, completely out of the blue and off the cuff.

Perhaps that poster doesn't realize you actually operate Christian websites. LOL :)

And yet you got one heck of a lesson on the church anyway. Oh man, I gotta get some food, this is killing the ribs!

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Julian, TJ is just a religious ultra right wing nutbar

by mjwx In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

First off, I apologise to other right wing nutbars for associating you with TJ.

Julian, an Anti-Christ is anyone who deviates from Christian orthodoxy. How much is a deviation is a matter of perspective. To those with an extremely strict religious view this deviation is extremely small. To TJ if you?re an Anti-Christ than I must be the devil incarnate for not believing. You will have to forgive me, I am intolerant of the intolerant but that?s one of my flaws being human and all.

In a previous post in another thread I made my views on religion quiet clear but here it is again (a bit out of context).

I hope this has cleared something up JD, and just to clear up my stance on religion. God and I have a ?Disagreement?. I used to hate god when I was young(er) but in the intervening years my rhetoric has softened. However I believe that organised religion is wrong, this does not mean the church should be destroyed but it should not try to convert people (I mean any church not just Christianity). Priests and places of worship should be available for all to use IF THEY WISH TO. Religion should not be forced on anyone and I know a few parents that would beat the bible into their children and think nothing of it. What you believe in is a personal choice and if you can?t decide that by yourself than it?s possible that you believe in nothing. I don?t hate Christians or anyone who believes in god I simply don?t wish to be preached to. I have no problems with my current theological state.

TJ, ?Occasionally, a pastor goes off the reservation, but, most often, they get disciplined quietly and the problem goes away...?

This system doesn?t work. Religion in this case only offers a cheap and quick way out of guilt. I would raise child abuse cases to support this. And one more thing if you wish to tell me that I?m going to **** then I?m going tell you to GO TO ****. If you don?t preach to me I won?t tell you how wrong you are.

<edit> I mean in no way to imply that you are an Anti-Christ Julian or to offend you, just to point out that you could be seen as one by extremists.</edit>

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Is Julian an anti-Christ?

by jardinier In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

I doubt it. Even the most rabid fundamentalists at the two Christian websites to which I post have never accused me of that.

However some members do seem to gain some kind of satisfaction in assuring me that with the beliefs I state, I have Buckley's chance of being saved.

As my idea of a personal **** would be to spend all eternity with self-righteous, fundamentalist Christian nutters, then "salvation" is not a goal I aspire after.

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The point is we all are subject labels, Julian, et al.

by X-MarCap In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

Julian, et al.

I am your greatest fear: a fellow wisea$$ who disagrees with you.

You all rise to the bait. You don't realize that your inflamatory remarks are taken seriously. I know the rhetoric, I understand the environments. Of here and the Christian Churches. Even small congregations worry me too, because they don't have the best possible leadership situation. Take the Fred Fulks church that is his family and 6 other people who protest soldiers funerals. He is so off the wall, a conservative Christian would call him a "nutter".

I was a Captain in the Marines. I really think OZ must be writing tongue in cheek, as is Neil. I think of them as PITAs...

Sometimes I think that the intellectual in the people who post defamatory comments about people's faith, can't stand to be tweaked themselves. Well, you have been tweaked, and you sucked down the bait, Hook,Line, and Sinker.

Any faith You would have is your business, not mine. Just don't forget about the people who can't help but believe Christians are stupid. I have a great eastern philosophy I couldn't believe in: reincarnation. How is your IQ going to fit in a Dung Beetle,

Oh, dang, I answered my own question,again.

Until you know me well enough that the old Captain is the fellow who was sent to do real fighting after passing a Lt. Colonel a rubber Scalpal. I laughed while a pompous Boston General Thoracic Surgeon was trying to cut open a fellow for a lobectomy. Kodak moments and me without a brownie.

First of all, you are negative about evangelicals and the people who did realize that Al Gore was so morally bankrupt that a serial rapist and philanderer as a boss didn't bother him. (Bush needed to win.) The next option to Bush was Kerry. I know him and Al Gore. Kerry cuts himself on twisted metal, not in combat, and files paperwork for a purple heart. That should makes every person who lost parts of themselves in combat pissed that he got away with it. John Forbes Kerry.

Gore was protected by 3rd Squad, 5th Marines when he was in Vietnam...

For those of you who complain about Bush and our policies, there are many of us hold our nose and vote.

When I see your zings at the evangelicals you describe the people who meet in homes. As far as that goes I know of no evangelicals that meet in homes. The only ones I have met or seen, I have seen on TV.

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"Evangelical" categories.

by jardinier In reply to Julian Doesn't understand ...

"Born-again" is the broadest category. It includes the 39 percent of the American population who claim they have had a personal experience of Christ. Their political ideas span the spectrum, and Jimmy Carter is not the only born-again political liberal.

"Evangelical" describes a theological position, one recognizing not only the need for such a personal experience with God but also the unique religious authority of Scripture and an obligation to share one's faith with others. Billy Graham is the paradigmatic evangelical.

"Fundamentalists," though they share many of the evangelicals' beliefs, also fiercely insist on the "verbal inerrancy" of the Bible, and this has led them into noisy conflicts over creation and evolution. William Jennings Bryan, who defended a literal reading of Genesis at the famous Scopes "monkey trial" in 1925, was a classic fundamentalist.

"Pentecostals," by far the fastest-growing wing of Christianity today, share most evangelical beliefs, but for them all theology is secondary. What is most important is an immediate encounter with the Holy Spirit in a style of worship that is exuberant and even ecstatic. Aimee Semple McPherson was the first Pentecostal preacher to achieve celebrity status in America.

"Charismatics" (the word's root means "gift of grace") are people who practice a Pentecostal form of worship but remain in their own Catholic or Protestant churches.

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And what's your point?

by maxwell edison In reply to Statistics

Why do you want me to find that statistic? And what does it have to do with either your original message or my replies?

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Heck, Julian, I don't know ..... Okay, 7 percent. Is that right?

by maxwell edison In reply to Statistics

But I don't really care. Why don't you find the answer yourself? And then make whatever point you want to make. If I'm interested, I might even reply.

But I will help you:

http://www.missionfrontiers.org/newslinks/statewe.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

(Cut and pasted excerpt)

"Evangelical Christians were a diverse group; some were at the forefront of movements such as abolition of slavery, prison reform, orphanage establishment, hospital building, and founding educational institutions."

http://www.worldevangelicalalliance.com/textonly/3home.htm

"7% of the population are evangelicals."

(Is that world or U.S.? Is that the right answer?)

"6% of registered Democrats and 5% of registered Independents are evangelical Christians compared to 14% of registered Republicans. (2004)"

Jimmy Carter is probably counted as one of the Democrats. Is Bill Clinton counted as well? How about Jessie Jackson?

http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=Topic&TopicID=17

But you figure it out. Personally speaking, I don't have a dog in this hunt. (Regardless of whatever hunt it may be.) What are you hunting?

By the way, how many "evangelical Christians" have given up on taking self-responsibility in favor of living on welfare? Figure that one out while you're at it, will you? Let us know what you find.

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Heck, Julian, I don't know ..... Okay, 7 percent. Is that right?

by maxwell edison In reply to Statistics

But I don't really care. Why don't you find the answer yourself? And then make whatever point you want to make. If I'm interested, I might even reply.

But I will help you:

http://www.missionfrontiers.org/newslinks/statewe.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

(Cut and pasted excerpt)

"Evangelical Christians were a diverse group; some were at the forefront of movements such as abolition of slavery, prison reform, orphanage establishment, hospital building, and founding educational institutions."

http://www.worldevangelicalalliance.com/textonly/3home.htm

"7% of the population are evangelicals."

(Is that world or U.S.? Is that the right answer?)

"6% of registered Democrats and 5% of registered Independents are evangelical Christians compared to 14% of registered Republicans. (2004)"

Jimmy Carter is probably counted as one of the Democrats. Is Bill Clinton counted as well? How about Jessie Jackson?

http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=Topic&TopicID=17

But you figure it out. Personally speaking, I don't have a dog in this hunt. (Regardless of whatever hunt it may be.) What are you hunting?

By the way, how many "evangelical Christians" have given up on taking self-responsibility in favor of living on welfare? Figure that one out while you're at it, will you? Let us know what you find.

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