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To those who voted for Democrats two years ago

By maxwell edison ·
You contributed to adding more debt onto the shoulders of future generations than everyone else over the past 200 years! AND, you contributed to the impending total collapse of the U.S economy more than everyone else over the past 200 years!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/111th-congress-added-more-debt-first-100

Go ahead, blame Bush. It's all you seem to do. But you only have yourselves to blame. Your day of reckoning WILL come, and you will have dragged others down with you.

What will you do when the Dollar collapses and the United States defaults on both its debt obligations and promises to its citizens? What will you do when the Dollar is devalued? What will you do when the World Reserve Currency is no longer the Dollar? It will happen, you know; it's just a matter of time. And it will happen sooner rather than later. (And why is George Soros, Democrat's favorite billionaire, buying up all the gold and silver he can get his hands on - all the while, advocating MORE government spending and debt accumulation?)

When will people realize that America's credit card is WAY over the limit? And it's actually too late to fix it. I've been sounding the warning for twenty-plus years. But no, my detractors claim; I'm just mean-spirited and selfish.

In short, the American people have elected themselves out of the best thing that's ever happened in the history of the world. They've killed the Golden Goose in exchange for their own (selfish) basket of eggs.

P.S. I also blame the weasel and spineless Republicans who were sucked into the Democrats' games, and were, themselves, no more than Baby Democrats. But whatever it takes to get elected, I suppose.

Do you belive such a thing? Do you share such an outlook? If so, what will you do to prepare yourself? If not, why not?

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Respectfully disagree

by JamesRL In reply to Let me qualify

With regards to Sharron Angle, to me when you suggest second amendment remedies to what Congress is doing and "Taking Harry Reid out" in the same breath, its clear to me what she means.

As to Bush and Hitler, when do two wrongs make a right? Do you believe Obama can be equated to Hitler?

Enemy of humanity? Thats just outrageous inflamatory rhetoric. I would feel the same if someone said it of Bush.

I am well aware of TJ's famous quote. And personally I think in the case of a Hitler, it might be justified. But clearly, the US is not at that point. The US democracy has some huge issues, but it isn't dead yet. Similarly the economy is in bad shape, but can recover. The debt is an issue, but it can be dealt with.

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Regarding Thomas Jefferson

by maxwell edison In reply to Let me qualify

Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Mason, Franklin, et al would not recognize this country as the United States. And I would venture to guess, that without exception, every person who signed the Declaration of Independence, and every person who signed the Constitution, and every person who supported both documents, would not stand for the government we have today and would actually rebel against it - armed or otherwise.

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The direct quotes were there, Max

by NickNielsen In reply to Let me qualify

You chose, however, to focus not on the quotes but on the (obvious, to me) interpretations.

I'm disappointed.

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And I'm disappointed with Nick

by maxwell edison In reply to Let me qualify

(Not that either Nick or I lives to please the other.)

For reference, James's message - the one to which I replied:

I don't think that conservatives are the only ones throwing out nutty talk.

But if you want examples of what I consider to be wacky speech that stirs up hate and divides the country, here goes.

"I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle, floating the possibility of armed insurrection in a radio interview, Jan. 2010

"This is what Hitler did with the SS. He had his own people. He had the brownshirts and then the SS. This is what Saddam Hussein so but you are comparing that. And I , I mean, I think America would have a really hard time getting their arms around that.''
Glenn Beck, claiming Obama's 'civilian national security force' is the same as what Hitler and Saddam Hussein did, Glenn Beck, FOX News' Glenn Beck show, Aug. 27, 2009"

"We Came Unarmed - This Time" from a list of 'favorite' signs at Tea Party rallies.

"He has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity," said Rep. Trent Franks about Obama.

"Our nation was founded on violence. The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms." Tea Party-backed Texas GOP congressional candidate Stephen Broden, suggesting the violent overthrow of the U.S. government if Republicans don't win at the ballot box, interview with Dallas's WFAA-TV, Oct. 21, 2010

And let me be clear, I don't think that this kind of talk, however reprehensible, is responsible for a nut job with a gun shooting a congresswoman. But there is clearly evidence of embittering talk, on both sides of the aisle.


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And these are the direct quotes he posted:

"I hope that's not where we're going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

and

"This is what Hitler did with the SS. He had his own people. He had the brownshirts and then the SS. This is what Saddam Hussein so but you are comparing that. And I , I mean, I think America would have a really hard time getting their arms around that."

and

"We Came Unarmed - This Time"

and

"He has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity,"

and

"Our nation was founded on violence. The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms."

End of quotes.

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First of all, James started his message saying, "But if you want examples of what I consider to be wacky speech that stirs up hate and divides the country..."

Okay, wacky speech that stirs up hate and divides the country is, at best, a stretch, considering the exact quotes he posted. And that's what we're looking for.

First of all, a pet-peeve of mine is the term, divides the country, as if all of the sudden, all people can agree on all things at all times. It's a silly and meaningless platitude, at best, and with the rarest of exceptions (if ever), this country always has been, and always will be, divided in many regards and/or to some degree. There's absolutely no way around it. There are simply too many Conflicts of Visions (due credit given to Thomas Sowell) among the population.

(That's one of the beauties of individualism, by the way, at least in my opinion (my vision), since it's more conducive for people to live and pursue their own visions without infringing on another's.)

So I dismiss this divides the country nonsense. It's nothing but a tactic used against one's opponent when one does not want to address and/or discuss the REAL underlying issue.

Okay, so now let's try to target those things in his message that stirs up hate.

Oh my, but first, I used a forbidden word, myself! I used the word, target - AS IN GUNS!!!!!!!!! OH MY! Am I using wacky speech that stirs up hate and divides the country?

But I digress.

What exactly is in those quotes that specifically stirs up hate? I hear them and I don't feel hateful towards anyone. Do you feel hateful, Nick (or James) when you hear (or read) them? Heck, using the greeting Merry Christmas stirs up hatred in some people - those who just want to hate someone and/or something in the first place. Hatred is an emotion generated from within, not from without.

So there's nothing hateful in any of those quotes.

Okay, and finally, let's look for anything that might be considered wacky. Well, that's pretty subjective, don't you think? What exactly constitutes wacky anyway?

Personally, I think, like, teenagers, you know, talk, like, you know, kind of, like, wacky; you know, he was, like ...... and she was, you know, like, wacky.

Heck, I also remember when we used to smoke wacky!

Okay, I'll give you that one. Those quotes might fall under the wacky category. And I'll also admit that when I hear people whose policy positions I might support use those kinds of terms, I cringe - not because they use them, per se, but because it only feeds ammunition to their political opponents who will only use it against them, thereby side-stepping the underlying issues.

OH MY!!!!! I DID IT AGAIN!!!!! I used the word ammunition - AS IN GUNS!!!!!!!!! OH MY! Am I using wacky speech that stirs up hate and divides the country?

My guess is that some wacky thinker out there will try to use it against me in a hateful way that will only serve to further divide the country.

And there's probably a joke in here somewhere about a comparison to how Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr settled their political disagreements; but then I'd probably be accused in inciting violence.

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Specific examples

by TonytheTiger In reply to Question

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Barack Obama

"I don?t sit around just talking to experts because this is a college seminar, we talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose *** to kick." - Barack Obama


"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." - U.S. Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski

"If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them." - Joe Biden

"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody?s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he?s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we?ll be there to watch. I think he?s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" - Chris Matthews

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Exactly what I mean by that

by DelbertPGH In reply to Question

I mean that the tone of politics has become nastier. There are far more cases of politicians, and particularly of commentators with access to broadcast media, who paint opponents as not just wrong on policy, but as treasonous or revenge-driven evil spawn, who want to do nothing but destroy wealth, blacken the future, and sow despair among good people so that America will never prosper again.

Republican-allied forces seem to be making the most of this tactic. If you don't hear it, I imagine your concern about other issues has left you deaf to these tones, and no appeal to reason or evidence would convince you otherwise.

As for specific examples, James has documented a few. Tony has provided opposing material. For every quote, there's a counter-quote. I won't bother, because there's no way to demonstrate what the climate of discourse is by plucking a dozen words from here or there. I've watched enough of Hannity, Palin, Issa, and others to spot that the basic strategy is to get people pissed off.

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Add mine

by santeewelding In reply to Exactly what I mean by th ...

Sheep outlaw wolves.

Wolves are.

Bleat, bleat.

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That's the smoke-screen

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Exactly what I mean by th ...

There are people who use inflammatory rethoric to create an illusion of opinion.
They have no opinions. They don't agree or disagree. They just want the votes and the pork and the screwing over the nation some more, from the other end.

And if the common man doesn't smell the stink and turn on, and tear limb from limb, these parasites... well, then the common man has himself to blame for getting screwed over some more.

That's my take on it. They're not wolves, just scabby dogs.
And people are only sheep until they wake up... they are the real wolves, then.

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assault on liberty? freedom?

by mike.pulaski In reply to The assault:

I might need stitches from falling out of my chair while laughing at your statement. Those kinds of statements are made by clueless fearful politicians or money hungry clergy who want to control mindless robots.

What assault on liberty and freedom? Please tell me ONE freedom or liberty you have personally lost since Obama was President? I assume this is who you direct it at. And I'm not a Obama backer. I expected better, but I certainly don't see any of my freedoms and/or liberties going away because of him.

Bush signed the Patriot Act. Cheney flat out revealed the name of a CIA spy, had his staff lie about it, get convicted in court, AND THEN COMMUTED THE SENTENCE!!! Here's someone protecting the US in a certain death situation, and that MF reveals her name simply becuase her husband wrote an unflattering article about the Iraq War!! NOW THAT is losing liberty and freedoms!

They started warrantless wiretaps and actually tried to appoint their personal attorney to the Supreme Court!!! What's your feelings on that?

And the best part of all that, they came off smug and acted like us, the people, should realize they are above us and we simply don't understand that they are protecting the country. Uh...HELLO?? From the people, of the people, by the people? But I guess Lincoln didnt know what he was talking about when he said that.

You want to know who are jeopardizing our freedoms and liberties? Terrorists, not politicians. What do you suggest we do? Nothing since you have already lost tons and tons of your freedoms and liberties?

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