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Treated differently than other workers

By Bratt ·
I have been working as a fulltime temp for the same company for two years. I watch as they hire new people for different fields because more body's are needed. I started out as a part time temp and now get about 4-5 hour of overtime a week in and have been for the past 4 months but they have yet to hire me. All of the computer users love me if they have a problem they call me because they don't like our administrator (he's grumpy). I have started to do more and more administrative jobs such as configuring our backup server, restoring lost files, custom ordering engineering machines, setting up new users in Novell, and the list goes on. I love my job and the people I work with but I am tired of watching others get hired and not me. I am also tired of hearing how great peoples vacation time is when I work just as hard and don't get vacation or medical benefits for my family. The owners keep saying that they are not sure what they want to do with IT what ever that means but it's obvious to me there is a need. Advice?

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Hunt for something better.

by jrisner In reply to Applied for a position he ...

I was in the same position about 7 yrs ago. My best advice for you is to look for something better. Do everything possible to increase your knowledge while you look. I would study a lot of study guides and then try to get hands on experience.

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Repeat of initial question.

by aemang In reply to ask

Bratt, one of the first questions was "Did you apply for a position?" This company cannot assume you want a fulltime position unless you apply. If you apply for a position and are not considered, at least you will know where you stand. One other thing, unless you have something on the hook, my first option would not be to give them an ultimatum. Another option would be to talk to your manager and ask about how you should proceed to sumbit an application. This will let them know positively you want fulltime employment. If all else fails, find something else and say adios. Even if they offer you something, DO NOT ACCEPT. Good luck!

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WOW, this string is OLD!

by Willy MacWindows In reply to ask

I just realized this string is from August - Bratt probably has a new job or is still stuck where he is.

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Repeat of the Repeat of the Repeat

by Aaron A Baker In reply to ask

In short, have you let them know that you want a full time job. There are an awful lot of Techs out there who are perfectly happy working under the exact conditions that you describe. They come and go as they please, they pull thier own hrs and don't always have to conform to company times,rules, regulations etc because they are freelance. If you're serious about wanting to work for these people "Who should have seen your worth by now" then 'Tell Them" state your position, if nothing happens move on. There are a lot of firms out there who will hire exprience over Diploma in a New York Second. You just have to look. This isn't a "put down" on Diplomas it's just that sometime firms are more willing to allow opportunities to Experience rather than to someone " A Novice" who just graduated from a school. Get it?
So if your not happy with the answers, start looking and "KEEP looking". They're out there and they are looking for you too, only they don't know it yet.
Good Luck.
Aaron A Baker

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Why buy a cow when ...

by gralfus In reply to Treated differently than ...

you can get the milk for free?
My wife is in a similar situation, though she is already an employee. She was told flat out that they will not allow her to move to a different position because she is too valuable where she is. They may also cut her pay just for kicks, knowing that she can't afford to quit. Her managers are an accursed brood and know exactly what they are doing to her.

I'd give you the same advice I have heard for a few years since I rejoined the work search force: Stay mobile, be as employable as possible, don't put your trust in any one company, keep your certs and resume up to date, and keep searching for work even now. You may find a better job and can leave your current one with proper 2 weeks notice (not burning your bridges).

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Look for another job

by EMinIT In reply to Why buy a cow when ...

I would look for another job that is permanent, maybe once you
get offer elsewhere they'll come up with an offer for you where
you're currently at, then you'll have to choose which position you
want to take.

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The funny thing is

by Bratt In reply to Look for another job

Most of the employees that work here have been with this company for 20yrs., 10, 15 so the owners have long standing relationships with most of the employees here and really respect them. Yesterday I found out that five of these longtime employees have written letters on my behalf to the owners and two of them blew up in a company meeting when they found out I was still a temp. This leads me to believe there is a reason I am not being hired but I can't be sure that I am 100% right in this thought.

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U CAN'T PUT STOCK IN HEARSAY

by vinnyherman In reply to The funny thing is

Hey Bratt:

I really hope things go well, but here is my experience:

Managers were singing my praises and knowledge to me-but, LATER, I found out exactly the opposite-Reports submitted to HR (retention) mediocre employee, just puts the time in, yada yada yada. These SOB's were taking credit for MY work/ideas! How do you know people "stood up" for you-HEARSAY-

MARCH INTO THE MANAGERS OFFICE WITH THESE 'SUPPORTERS" AS A UNITED FRONT/BLOC! PUT IT ON THE LINE POLITELY. DO NOT ACCEPT THE "BRUSH OFF". WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?

Finally, your education is a stumbling block-especially in the IT field. Keep that in mind and get CERTS!

its all about the benjamins and I could not of said it better

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looking at bottom line

by kblack1a In reply to The funny thing is

The owners have been spoiled, a good worker and low costs and don't want to give it up. If upper management can keep you as a temp, they will do it as long as possible. You cost the company less with out benefits and all the red tape involved as a full timer. It sounds like you have built up a good work history. Your stuck with a power play. Apply for the job your in, let them know you really like it there, but business is business and your business is your self. Be low key about looking else where, but don't make it a secret. I went through the same thing and had a long sit down meeting and let them know I can't keep going like this. They did hire me. I might add it was scary. Good luck

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Time to take action.

by DC_GUY In reply to Treated differently than ...

You're valuable to this company. Its employees know that. The question is whether the managers know it.

If they don't then it's time for you to make them aware. Tell someone about the nice things that the employees are saying about you. Then tell them that you deserve to be hired full time and treated like any other valued employee.

If they already know how valuable you are, then they probably assume that they can continue to get away with mistreating you because you will stay anyway. If they don't know, then somebody has to tell them, and nobody's going to do that except you.

In either case, the first step for you is a risk analysis. Do you like your current situation well enough that you don't want to risk losing it? It's a jungle out there, perhaps you'd rather stick with a relatively steady paycheck despite all the drawbacks rather than walk out into the jungle and learn to avoid the lions. But don't forget that the status quo has its risks as well. Temps are lower on the totem pole than perms and can be easily let go during a bad quarter, no matter how valuable they are. There's no way to reduce risk in your life to zero.

If you're really not happy this way and you're ready for a change, then make sure you are comfortable taking the risk that will ensue. Then the next step is to become more assertive. Not aggressive -- don't be confrontational, angry, petulant, whiny, rude, or haughty. Just explain politely what you want, why you think you deserve it, and MOST IMPORTANTLY why it will be a good thing for the company. (Have you even thought that one out yet?) Then ask the manager if there's any reason why he or she thinks you don't deserve it or why it's not a good thing for the company.

If you've done "assertive" properly, you will maximize your chances of getting what you want, while minimizing your chances of having the encounter be the cause of your termination.

Nonetheless the chance of being thrown out always exists. Only a saint is able to keep his cool and react kindly to aggressiveness, but some people don't even respond kindly to assertiveness. There are a lot of simply awful managers out there who can't do their jobs well, and it's impossible to predict how they will react to anything.

Figure out what you want. Do the risk analysis and decide what kind of risks you're willing to take. Practice being assertive. Look at the situation from the other person's perspective and figure out why he'd even want to change it. Those are the keys to getting ahead. Good luck.

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