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Tricks to relocating?

By kharig ·
I currently work for a Fortune 50 company as a tech/sys admin/net admin. I have been there 8 years now, 4.5 of which in IT. Its time to move. I am looking to move about 700 miles away to Corpus Christi Texas. So far my search has been fruitless. It seems a lot of companies state "no relocation". I am quite willing to pay all my own moving expenses. Should I state this in my resume? Is there any trick to getting a job out of state?

Is it time to start begging for jobs? :)

Kristopher

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An important distinction

by maxwell edison In reply to i don't know

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If you have students always giving you their resume, asking you for a job, I can relate to what you're saying. However, the distinction is to not "ask for a job", per se, but have something of value that you can offer. Too many job seekers "ask" for something, and too few "offer" something of value.

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Actually I'll agree with you

by Oz_Media In reply to i don't know

Walking up to the door and asking someone to take your resume is not even close to what I am referring to.

Making a sound business case and selling your own abilities, including what you bring to the table and WHY the company NEEDS you is the way to go.

I have seen people walk into an office all day long (usually right before Welfare day to fill their forms) just asking if you wil take their resumes, I asked the receptionist to just refuse them near welfare day.

On one occasion a couple of years back, I waas standing outside the office for a smoke, a guy walked in and handed the receptionist his resume.

As he was leaving he saw me and asked what we did?

Another person walked in and insisted she (the receptionist)accepted his resume, when I heard her getting yelled at and (being the office bouncer) I quickly went up to see what the problem was. The guy was saying "FINE HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A JOB AND NOBODY TOOK YOUR RESUME" Just to bring you up to speed, it was a telephone company's business equipment sales office.
He smelled like stale pee from 10 yards away (nothing like that nice fresh pee smell), I politely askd him what position he was looking to fill. His reply, "I need this damn form signed to get my (welfare) check"

Needless to say he was hired immediately. Why not, they hired me.


So no, I don't appreciate resumes, I also don't accept unsolicited demo tapes from bands, yet they still send them by the box load.

If someone calls me from a band and says, "hey we are really good! We know we have a sound that fits the European market and are really looking for help entering it. We have played here and here and here to sold out crowds. Can I meet with you and possibly have you listen to my work?" I will tell them how to get proper representation to contact me, or accept them as a rep myself.

I don't mind acceptng work if it is solicited properly, including by members themselves.

When it comes down to it, resumes don't do anything for anyone. neither do certs. resumes have an average of 26 seconds to make an impression, not exactly an effective marketing tool.

Yet a combination of certs, experience, a good resume and a forward approach will get you there 99.999% of the time.

I have never applied for a job by sending off resumes, nor have I picked up the paper. In fact I haven't even been asked for a resume in my last three positions.

As Max said, you dig out a Yellow pages and start playing salesman until you have sold yourself to enough people that you have a list of interviews. YES it works, every time. Not with every employer, but that's why you dig and qualify your calls, then accept the rejections and move on to those that are a little more with the program.

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Depends on the market

by JamesRL In reply to Actually I'll agree with ...

When I was laid off in the fall of 2002, I thought much the same as you. I never had any problems getting job offers, to the contrary I was turning away headhunters all the time.

But the job market in 2002 was very different. Cold calling did not pay big dividends, no one wanted to hear it. I put a lot of time into networking, but alas many of my friends in the high tech sector were also laid off, so the extents of their contacts were limited.

I joined a networking group. It didn't help me land a job, but it refreshed my resume writing and interviewing skills.

I did get some interviews through personal contacts, some interviews through answering ads in newspapers and the internet. I worked as hard at getting a job, or harder, than I did at a job.

I came close a number of times - second out of 500 applicants at one job, got down to a reference check at another(my reference and the interviewers senior manager had a bad history), was on the road to being hired at another firm when a hiring freeze came down.....

I eventually got a contract at a bank for a short 6 week project. It was below my capabilities, but nonetheless I worked at it like it was a trial period for something bigger. Another project saw my work and were impressed enough to hire me for another 6 months.

A couple of months after the end of that project I landed the permanent job I am now in. I got that job because the company had contacted my outplacement firm and found me.

I think it depends alot on the kind of job you are looking for. Entry level jobs, or contract positions, you can and should cold call. Its harder for senior management jobs. I found when the market was bad, they simply wouldnt take my calls.

James

James

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To a point

by Oz_Media In reply to Depends on the market

Recruiters do work SOMETIMES in tech jobs but the only jobs I've seen through recruiters were ones I had already applied for myself.

NOTE: I am in the process of doing it all over again now and the cold calling is going VERY well, yes I am being interviewed for C- Level and upper management positions too.

I am not pushing it though as there is no urgency right now, I have enough going on elsewhere to stay busy and pay bills. But I am finding cold calling VERY successful.

I have been short listed (4 interviews or tests so far,phew!) for a National Director of Marketing position but it is in Vancouver so I am hesitant about moving again. This one, unadvertised at the time I applied, I am being considered for based on a quick phone call, I took them a printed resume on the third interview.

So while I somewhat agree with you, however I am successfully proving you wrong about the date reference every day. In 2005 of course.

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Well I would suggest...

by JamesRL In reply to To a point

The market has improved since I was looking. I myself am getting calls from headhunters who would not return my calls 18 months ago.

Virtually all of my friends who were looking at the same time as myself have found something. Many, like me, are not working at the same level.

I'm glad you are having succes.

James

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A lot of good advice...

by amcol In reply to I did the same looking ov ...

...with just a couple of caveats and additions.

The original poster indicated he/she works for a Fortune 50 company. I'm not knowlegeable about the economy of Corpus Christi TX, but whether or not there are similarly sized companies in that geography let's assume he/she wishes to work for a fairly large organization. Owners and presidents of such companies have their incoming correspondence screened and only take calls of those they know, certainly not one from someone seeking a job at the level described by the poster.

Your techniques are very effective for small or even mid-sized organizations, so I'd advise the poster to utilize your approaches in that sector.

If the poster does wish to stay with a larger organization then the best way to do that is via networking (which, BTW, is the most effective job hunting technique regardless of organization size). Target specific companies and find someone who works there, then get that person to make an introduction to a hiring manager. This can be especially tricky long distance but there are ways to do it.

I assume the poster has chosen Corpus Christi for a reason, perhaps because he/she has family or friends in the area. Start with them...be very forthcoming with the plan to relocate and seek assistance. They may know someone in the target company, or they may just have other contacts who can be called upon in the same fashion.

If one belongs to a local chapter of a professional organization in the original location, check to see if they have a chapter in the target location. Contact them and solicit their assistance.

Alumni associations can be very helpful. I'm continually amazed at where some former classmates of mine with whom I've lost touch have ended up, and alumni associations can help find these long lost friends. More to the point, these associations can provide lists of fellow alums in the target locations, who by virtue of the shared educational experience are usually more than happy to help with a long distance job search.

Best advice I can offer...never, NEVER relocate without a solid job offer in hand. It's a fool's journey to go to a target location without employment thinking that a job can be found once there. Most people just end up finding themselves unemployed and homesick.

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That's an oldie but a goodie

by Oz_Media In reply to A lot of good advice...

If you are referring to cold calling presidents, I think that would be even more applicable to staynchly built corporate environments with good gatekeepers.

I got a job with Jim Pattison that way.

I got a job with the CRTC that way.

I used to train a career club and VEERYONE did the same thing no matter how big the company.

Th e whole idea is to sidestep HR and get the boss to transfer your cal BACK into the channels that way it has more clout.

So if you were referring to my comments, I have done it and proven it possible and VERY effective in large corporate environments.

Anyone can talk to the boss of a small or medium sized business, how is that a trick?

I am used to dealing with C level employees and owners of large public corporations. I get past gate keepers in no time flat, it takes practice but then it's often than not.

"certainly not one from someone seeking a job at the level described by the poster"
Not so, in fact I have proven it wrong too many times to list. There are enough peple who wouldn't dream of doing it, that's why it works. If you're good enough to get to the guy, you will usually gain his immediate attention, they know it is a skill and a skill with drive behind it.


That's what makes it so effective once you can do it, and YES it can be done and YES it does work VERY well.

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Your techniques work

by amcol In reply to That's an oldie but a goo ...

There's no question of that. I've had my own success doing what you describe, as have many of my friends and colleagues.

All methods require adaptation, however. You're obviously someone who possesses a fair amount of self-confidence and a flair for marketing and salesmanship. You also clearly understand that job hunting is a sales game, one in which we are offering ourselves as a product for purchase (hire). I wonder what you advise those to whom you provide job seeking information as to how to adapt your programs to their own personalities?

Or do you advocate a one-size-fits-all approach?

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Any one can do it

by Oz_Media In reply to Your techniques work

I agree it does take some practice. One thing I have always said is to prioritize the company's you are calling. Those you like to work for and those you'd REALLY like to work for. Call the REALLY important ones in week two. If you are making 20-30 solid contact every day, you will be pretty slick and confident at it by week two, which is when you win work.

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Thanks for all the advice, good stuff

by kharig In reply to A lot of good advice...

Thanks for all the advice guys, so far it has had some good ideas.

I work for a huge company, but I would happily take a job at a smaller company. I have a pretty broad base of knowledge, but not always deep in some areas. This tends to benefit a smaller company of 1-2 tech people more than big companies.

I don't really know anyone in Corpus. I am from Ft Lauderdale Fl, and I want to move back near the ocean. It was the logical choice of locations.

What I find most frustrating about the job search is some of the people I get hired. It almost seems like the less skilled the person the nicer the resume and the better HR likes them. We have had some real lousy techs lately, but HR has had a love fest with all of them :) The cold call method would bypass HR. I am pretty good at digging up information about people, finding a name should not be too hard.

OZ talks about what you can offer a company. In my opinion there are many elements of a person that do not fit on a resume but are vital for job success. Dependability, punctuality, creativity, etc are often more important in job success than this or that cert. But that's not easy to slip past HR.

I have had several people tell me that my current employer might be intimidating. They are known to pay very well, but the exact opposite is true for IT people. I currently do sys/net admin/tech work and make about 38K a year; which is on the low end of the scale. Is it possible companies think I make a lot more and would not be interested? Obviously I don't want to say "will work cheap" on my resume, but I am not too far from that point.

Thanks again guys, you are giving me some hope.

Kristopher

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