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Trying to get connection in the company ......

By jabney ·
Hello Tech Republic
I post a question that maybe you can help me with. I have posted something similar but it was more of a general question, I have something more specific Where I am currently working they have job posting and I know that I don?t have the experience that is needed to really complete the job . May have knowledge of what has to be done but not enough to jump in the position and be an effective player. I want to let them know about me and my skills and maybe consider me at a later time. How should I go about trying to my name in the IT Department? Any suggestions?

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Always be prepared

by nyong_nkitma In reply to Trying to get connection ...

I don't think the policy of posting in the company came as a surprise. If this is a standing policy, then you should have been preparing yourself from the beginning to take any challenge by getting friendly and familiar with all the Departments, and updating yourself with the basic technicalities, knowing too well that you may be called upon at any time to lead any.

Howbeit, don't feel inferior towards your intended position. The mark of a true leader is not shown on how much of the work he/she can do, but on the ability to mobilise and encourage those under him to do the work. At a certain level of leadership, you should begin to think that you actually have no department. Supposing God wants you to be the Managing Director/CEO of the organisation, how would you respond?

What you need do in the circumstance is to be ready to study hard and be ready to learn from others while also being firm in your position. You can do all things through Christ that can stregthen you.

Feel good!


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What it can Benefit to Company?

by nurpak In reply to Always be prepared

I agree with you, you also need to highlight how this move will benefit to Company. Some companies prefer In-House sourcing. If they consider economy as others do and hiring from outside costs more you could be an economical replacement with more supervision and part of some saving can be incurred on your Training.

Before all, does your immediate Supervisor agree, if it comes to the point of releasing you? Take him/her in favor.

Wishing you good luck.

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Are you looking to move up or just that job?

by jdclyde In reply to Trying to get connection ...

If your looking to move up, all the human contact mentioned above goes a long way.

Resume has to be updated VERY regularly if you are actively looking to advance.

Let the company know that you are looking to advance. If they know in advance you will come to mind more often.

Note: As many managers are hired in as educated experts, it is ofter quicker to advance by moving to a new company as the new expert than to try to move up the ladder. If work pays for training, get your tech certs as well as look at working towards a business degree.

Good Luck and understand there will be more "no's" than "yes's", so you need to get your name out there.

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by dketter In reply to Trying to get connection ...

You don't say if you actually have work experience in IT but let me tell you how I got into the field. Don't undersell yourself - OJT training is a reality of life. I have never taken a job where I had all the experience needed but I learn fast and have related experience that can be brougt to bear. I have worked as a Chemist, Senior Process Engineer, Microbiologist, and Regional IT Officer. I have formal education/experience in only the first (B.S. Chemistry plus MBA). I learned the other jobs totally on my own. A strong background in problem analysis, math/sciences, and deductive reasoning is applicable anywhere.

How did I even get a job in these different fields? I volunteered for every assignment I could that was tangentially related. I asked to participate on workgroups, etc. If you get to work with the players and prove you have inate abilities, they will give you a chance to prove your stuff. Expect to put in hours that you are not paid for but from which you build experience, contacts, and a reputation. Join professional organizations, clubs, etc. You have to market yourself aggressively.

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An opposing viewpoint

by DC_GUY In reply to Trying to get connection ...

Just to keep this all in perspective: Why do you want to get into IT? It's a tough field. The glory days of the 1960s are over, when anybody with a high IQ and no experience or credentials could get the starting salary of a graduate in nuclear physics and the job security of a Russian translator.

IT is now a mature industry, like autos were in the 1960s, and the same thing is happening to it. The entire industry is migrating to other countries with traditions of unimaginative but diligent, high-quality work.

Americans are a risk-taking, authority-disrespecting, tradition-busting people. We are inventors and troubleshooters. We don't do well in industries that require not glamorous innovation, but boring incremental process improvement and rigorous by-the-book QA.

If you're planning on enrolling in a university, major in Arabic or one of the Middle Eastern languages. You'll be guaranteed a high-paying government job for the rest of your life unless current trends are somehow reversed. The CIA had fewer than twenty Arabic translators prior to 9/11 and American undergraduates have simply refused to pick up on this lucrative clue.

If you prefer to make your mark without a degree, spend your college money on a slow trip around the world that will give you a REAL education, and then come home and apprentice yourself to a plumber. You'll be earning $100,000, and hiring your own apprentices to do the crawling, within fifteen years, in a profession with a very low risk of being automated or offshore outsourced within your lifetime. The richest man in our town who didn't inherit his money is the oldest plumber and he hasn't gotten his hands dirty in thirty years.

If you love computers and won't be happy unless you get into this field, you really need a sheepskin to augment your enthusiasm and networking skills -- they will indeed be helpful, but not sufficient. The competition in this dwindling job market is fierce.

Don't believe the government's predictions of a rosy future for the IT sector if only we can get past this current slump. The four or five billion people who don't own PCs yet are not so desperate for them that they will settle for the American software quality standard so proudly advertised to the entire world by SP/2.

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Wish I had become a plumber. :-(

by SamLowrey In reply to An opposing viewpoint
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Ask for ...

I suggest you to look for a Coatch/Tutor. You must select it in the environment where you like to evolve in the near future. I mean by this the cheif or project leader or other manager in the structure where you want to be in 3 to 5 years from now. Ask her/him advices on how to do to acquire experience and mainly on various domain the seeking job type your looking for required. Like maybe some skill on chairing positive team meeting is an asset you do not have. So ask your tutor to help you to find ways to learn and be expose to do it once you feel comfortable to experience.
Prepare yourself prior to the selection of your tutor by:
1- Make sure the selected tutor is a trusted person on the management area of the organisation you work for
2- Make sure of what you are going to ask that person (reason of your request, your asset and what you see missing) So it come obvious of what you are asking is to close the gaps of what is in demand and what you have to offer now.
3- Have a realistic plan or at least a time frame to support your request. Be prepare to adjust it in accordance with the availability of time of your tutor.
4- Make sure this person is a realible one and have kind of a good reputation in the environment you are going into. So if you have some reference to present, mentioning her/his name will open more easealy the door than another.

Remember it is like going back to school where you will have to imvest time after the class time, make sure your homework are done on time and on schedule.
And like in school your time is precious as the time of your tutor. If you want to progress, focus on it not on fooling around doing interesting things that do not support your goal and the one you set with your tutor/mentor/coathc...

Good luck.

PS.: English beeing by second language there may be some spelling mistakes. I know you can handle it.

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In my experience

by krossa In reply to Trying to get connection ...

The promotion I wanted was in the same department (IT), but in a whole different area than I was currently in. What I did, was talk to the manager of the area I was interested in. I explained to him what I hoped to accomplish with my career, and where I wanted to go. I asked for his assistance in the best way to make this happen - i.e. What training or experience should I work on to make my dream a reality. In the end, he was impressed with my interest and forethought. He knew I was a hard worker from talking to my manager, and I ended up getting the promotion and am being trained while on the job.

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Find what the boss really really wants ...

by sheinkin In reply to In my experience

This post is a bit cynical, but true.

Most mid-level positions in a large organization are not filled just by people that meet the formal criteria list.
Usually the boss is looking for something else, such as:
-- Patronage (both a candidate seeking a patron, and a candidate that is patroned by somebody high enough its worth the boss investment)
-- Friend / Family member of Friends (from college, army, previous job, etc...)
-- An unmentioned skill set
-- Etc.., you should get the drift
Internal advertising of the position may be (and usually is) also a trap:
> Find out who wants to "sell out" his old position
> Find out what the atmosphere is in the company (how many jump)
> Formal CYA measure
> Etc...
If a boss doesn't have a short list of at least 3 names by the time he posts the position, he should be fired immediately :-)

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What a load of crap....

by JamesRL In reply to Find what the boss really ...

If thats the way it works in your company -why are you still there.

I've hired a few people in just the last couple of months.

My experience with large organizations is that the boss doesn't have nearly the power you would claim. HR has to be satisfied and does the boss's boss. Any technical skill that is needed has to be in the job description. No one gets in the door without HR participating in the interview process, and they ensure fairness.

Yes I have recommended a friend for a job within my company - but not reporting to me. They didn't get the job. Same would go for family.

As to unmentioned skillsets - sometimes thats the "soft" skills that are more difficult to put into words than the technical skill sets. If you are arrogant and agressive, you might make a great salesperson, but would not fit into customer service. If you are shy and introverted, a career in sales or customer service are not appropriate. If you make it to the interview, you probably have the technical skills, and whats being judged are those soft skills.

As to you funny about 3 names....for many positions we are lucky to have a backup for every key role, let alone 3 people who have the innate skills that they could be trained to do the role.


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