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Two weeks later...

By maecuff ·
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I'm starting my third week as a factory worker. I'm tired all of the time and everything hurts. We had today off, but I understand, that beginning tomorrow, we're working 12 hours each day, 7 days a week. I put a Dennison Fastener through the tip of my finger on Friday. And I have a splinter in my *** from sitting on a stack of pallets. (I won't have to learn THAT lesson again). We've tried just about everything to get it out. My husband wants me to go to the Doctor to get it out, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm going to try bikini wax in a few minutes. And even worse than ANY of that, it dawned on me that I am NEVER going have time to get my hair done. We can't have this. I'm going to have to do my own hair! I don't do hair. I'm no good at it.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to start losing members of my staff. They aren't going to be running presses for very long before they jump ship. My boss and his wife came over to our house last night. He's on the verge of walking out, himself. It seems as if the place is crumbling from the inside out.

I've re-read this and tried to find a point to my post and there really isn't one.. I'm just rambling because I can. :)

I haven't been able to stay on top of anything here. Have I missed anything good?

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Yes but if you are doing blue collar work ...

by stress junkie In reply to Wording in job descriptio ...

... then they have to pay you overtime. If that wasn't true then the employer would put everyone on salary. In fact I read a story where a hospital was trying to say that all of the nurses were supervisors so that the hospital didn't have to pay overtime. So, that suggests that no matter what your job title, when you are doing blue collar work you are entitled to overtime pay.

I'm not sure that the labor board would agree with me. I think it is worth asking the labor board about it.

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If nurses give orders or assign duties

by jdclyde In reply to Yes but if you are doing ...

they are considered managers, according to an article in the Detroit Free Press last friday.

Expect to see more and more of this. ANYONE can have a position that pays salry. I have known people that had it hung in their faces and jumped at it, without doing the math on the expected new hours.

Average salary worker will work 45 to 50 hours a week. There is also usually a clause that says the hours are "what is required to get the job done".

She can ask the board, but it is unlikely she will see anything from it, and only speed her own job coming to an end. There are not any GOOD solutions I can see from her situation other than to be let go and collect unenjoyment while she looks for a place that will apreciate her and her abilities.

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Activist Executive Branch anyone? :0 X-(

by TechExec2 In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

Activist Executive Branch anyone? :0 X-(

Oh, the hypocracy!!! :0

The Judiciary is not the only one bending rules to suit an agenda.

Nurses who do not have authority over others and merely direct or guide other nurses are not supervisors. Using a definition as broad as that, virtually everyone but entry-level people would be a "supervisor". Everyone tells the entry-level people what to do.

My view: This is a clear abuse of labor laws, there will be a suit, and the courts will rule against the practice.

You don't have to be a ~lefty whacko~ or ~love unions~ to know this is not right. I'm not and I don't. If the executive branch does not like the law, they should get Congress to change it.

P.S. And, ketchup is not a vegetable. :^0

P.P.S. I would like to hear Nurse Tigger's view on this.


Nurses in Michigan who assign duties to other nurses can be designated as supervisors and kept out of unions, the National Labor Relations Board said Tuesday in a decision that labor groups say jeopardizes the organizing rights of hundreds of thousands of the country's 2.6 million registered nurses.

Unions: Ruling hurts nurses
Move calls those who assign 'supervisors'

National Labor Relations Board (appointed by the President)

National Labor Relations Act

edit: dang formatting!

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Nurse Tigger: Please favor us with your view...

by TechExec2 In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

Nurse Tigger: Please favor us with your view on this.

Thank you oh wise one.

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activist what?

by jdclyde In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

If you take the politics out of this and give it a calm, cool look, you would realize that the EXECUTIVE branch is not the branch that sets or changes these rules/laws/regulations.

Go back and re-read about how this happened and who made the rulings. I am betting you will not see this as an executive order handed down from on-high.

Congress is to blame for most everything that happens and doesn't happen, and hold the real power. The President is a spokesman with the power of veto. How many vetos have you seen since 2000?

Judicial has been out of control as well, ever since they forgot their role in government is to either fully enforce the existing laws or strike them down as unconstitutional. Period.

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J I was just pointing out...

by TechExec2 In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

I was just pointing out that there is activism in the Executive as well as the Judiciary. Here's how I understand it to work. Correct me whereever I am wrong.

1. Congress wrote the National Labor Relations Act. Signed by the President (not this one...decades ago).

2. The National Labor Relations Act is administrated by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB).

3. The National Labor Relations Board members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.

[The NLRB is an independent part of the Executive (exists outside one of the departments of the Executive branch). It is affected by politics, especially when both the President and the Congressional majority belong to the same party as has been the case for the last 6 years.]

4. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) made this ruling. The NLRB vote was along party lines (according to the article). Hence, it could have been affected by politics.


National Labor Relations Board

Independent agencies of the United States government

edit: typo, clarity, references

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Details about the NLRB ruling (and Question for Tigger)

by TechExec2 In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

From the ruling for Oakwood Healthcare in Taylor (the one in question):

The Board found that the charge nurses, as a regular part of their duties, assigned nursing personnel to the specific patients for whom they would care during their shift. The Board found that such assignments, which consisted of giving ?significant overall duties? to an employee, met the statutory definition of ?assign? under the Act. The Board further found that the Employer met its burden to show that its charge nurses exercised independent judgment in making such assignments. Finally, the Board found that the Employer failed to establish that the rotating charge nurses exercised supervisory authority for a ?substantial? part of their work time. As a result, the Board found that only the Employer?s permanent charge nurses were supervisors, rather than employees, under the Act. The majority opinion is signed by Chairman Battista and Members Schaumber and Kirsanow. Members Liebman and Walsh dissented.

Nurse Tigger: What do you think of this ruling? What do "charge nurses" really do? Does this make them "supervisors"? Or, are they merely the lead staffers? Thanks.


NLRB Oakwood Healthcare Ruling

Senate Confirms Two NLRB Members and General Counsel (August 4, 2006)

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TechExec2 thanks for looking for those references

by stress junkie In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

I didn't expect my post to generate a big side discussion. I'm glad that TechExec2 looked up the story about the nurses that I mentioned without providing references.


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stress: Glad to...

by TechExec2 In reply to If nurses give orders or ...

Glad to be of assistance!

These days, when I see a job that needs doing, I jump on it before the dang thing goes offshore!

:^0 :^0 :^0

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Yes and No

by faradhi In reply to When you do different wor ...

There are a lot of issues here. First, the Labor laws in question have nothing to do with education level. It is all about the work performed.

There are some guidelines that guide what can be considered and Exempt (Meaning no overtime rules) employee. Here is a good link for those regs.

However, there have been recent rulings that extend the number of employees that could be considered exempt and I do not know if this has been updated to include those regs.

I hope this helps.

Mae, I missed the what happened thread. I am sorry to hear things have gotten rough at work.


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