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Use of a certification

By venkat_1781 ·
hai all

i have both mcse and ccna certification.i have experince in wuindows nt 4.0
.but not on cisco routers.Still iam not getting any satisfactory job. Could you please tell me whether doing any more certificatin will be usefull. Orjust go out and work wih this experince.

thanks in advance.

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Certs = Self Assessment Tools

by TomSal In reply to Experience is what counts

The old cert debate again.

My feelings are that to be a valuable and well rounded IT professional there really are really three components that are required and the fourth is helpful, but largely optional.

The required 3:

1) Good personality (I'm being very broad here - throwing in your social skills with your general attitude and demeanor as well)

2) Formal Education (This leaves out certs in favor of college degrees or at the EXTREME minimum a H.S. diploma)

3) Experience (Preferred is on-the-job experience from a previous employer, however for new comers it relates to EXTENSIVE hands-on experience with simulated real world IT situations/problems)

The optional 4th "component":

4) Certifications.

Despite the claims of newspaper and magazine ads, I've yet to find an IT job in my area that outright refuses or dismisses an applicant due to lack of certification. Along those same lines however, I can say with confidence that at LEAST 90% of all well-to-excellent paying IT positions REQUIRE college degrees and/or practical work experience.

I'm working on a BA degree, which I just started to supplement my 6 years IT experience (manager), 2 AAS degrees and three certifications (I actually have more certs, but I only count 3 as "real" ones - the others are from small time education programs). I got lucky now that I think about it - my employer didn't require a BA degree six years ago when they hired me, so I've been gradually building up my education and experience over the years.

I plan on getting more certs, but its no rush. Certs are more for the individual than anything else - IMO. If you work HONESTLY (ie. no cheating/using brain dumps) for your cert they are great tools to assess your skills,target your strengths and your weaknesses.

That's how I use them and it has made me a better IT manager.


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There is no substitute for experience.

by Retro In reply to Use of a certification

Maybe the problem isn't the certifications. We all know there is no substitute for experience in the IT field. I would spend my time learning new and better interview techniques and negotiating skills. Perhaps at your next job interview, you should angle toward your desire to gain more working experience with the Cisco equipment. This may involve attempting to take control of the interview for a period of time, which insn't the easiest thing to do. The perfect job won't fall into your lap,sometimes you have to coax it a little.

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Experience, certification & will

by kpfreelance In reply to There is no substitute fo ...

I have quite a few years of experience as a Systems Admin and am looking to move on to network operations support. Last year I got my CNE (we are a Novell house) and we have also migrated from cc:mail to Exchange (I've gained some good experience there). I've been posting my resume on the web for a while and I still get the same "jokers" calling and leaving a message that they're looking for someone with helpdesk and desktop support experience (even though my objective clearly states that I'm looking for a NetOps position). I just recently got my CCNA; fortunately, Cisco's training does give you some good basic hands-on experience with configuring internetworking devices. I hope that helps this time around and I probably will have to "takeover in a interview" to avoid being steered down the same old path.

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RE: Experience, certification & will

by jcyt In reply to Experience, certification ...

After reading your post, I have a suggestion that may help you receive the desired job opening responses you prefer. I would suggest you seek a position as a Network Engineer, or a LAN administrator. You are receiving the responses for Help Desk or Desktop Support positions because of the reference to NetOps. In a growing number of IT shops today, you will find that Network Operations and/or Systems Operations perform first level network/systems support as well as after hours Help Desk support. By changing your job search to better utilize your certifications and develop the career path you desire, you will find using keywords such as Network Analyst, Network Engineer, or LAN support will provide the results you are seeking.
Also, please remember, most companies have some form of 'probationary' period when you will be required to not only 'talk the talk' but also 'walk the walk'.
With all my certifications, as well as multiple year recipient of 'International Who's Who of Information Technology' & 'International Who's Who of Professionals', I can guarantee you that the ability to 'walk the walk' has been the most beneficial in my career. Good Luck!

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Experience is more valuable

by Derek Schauland Contributor In reply to Use of a certification

I have experience in NT as well and Win 2k... not enough experience though. I am an MCSE on win2k and it is not really playing into things except making my resume look nice.

I got certified right out of school and only right then because there were no jobs available just then... but I would have certified in 2k anyway.

I am glad I got the cert because it shows that I can use the product, but I am still waiting to get a shot to get real experience...

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Help Desk?

by road-dog In reply to Use of a certification

Have any of you guys in the "certified but not experienced" quandry tried help desk jobs? I'm seeing lots of help desk positions opening. It sucks, but at least it gets you in the door.

Just a suggestion..

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I agree!

by jereg In reply to Help Desk?

Too many prople fall for the sales pitch from technical training schools. If you get certified, you'll get a job making $70-80,000.00 a year to start. Sorry, but that's just not going to happen. You certification and $3.00 will get you coffee at Starbucks. Certifications are good, but only if you have some experience. Take an IT job, ANY IT job to get started. Work on a help desk. Do the work that you're asked and do it well. You'll learn a great deal, get experience, and if you take the nasty jobs that nobody else wants, you stand a much better chanse of promotion. Jobs are tough to find now, so take what you can and get on the job experience. When the economy turns around, you'll be in a great position to take advantage of it.

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Use of a certification

by LesBoyce In reply to I agree!

Just my two cents. Take it from a old guy who thought if he worked for the same company he could retire happy and wealthy. NOT!! After sixteen years with company A, I went for my CNE. Four years later my MCSE. Two networking jobs later I'm finally make a decent living. Be willing to pay your dues and be very friendly to the guys who do have experience. Most are glad to show or tell you what they know.

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Help desk starts

by rkweller In reply to Help Desk?

Very good point, I also put in my time at a help desk. Nothing short of a miracle and placed in a hot spot will you get better experience and for the most part at your pace. A good help desk org will give you free training and assistance in aquiring excellent troubleshooting skills.

Maybe more importantly it gives a better then McDonald's cash flow until something else opens up for you.

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Help Desk quagmire.

by nonamecharlie In reply to Help Desk?

It is a good stepping stone but you can get stuck there (Gosh, who do I know in that predicament?).

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