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Vista, is it really worth it?

By Dave the Computer Guy ·
Ok so I have to say I?ve been reading all the articles on Vista. I see all the visual improvement and hear about all the security enhancements and I have to ask myself is it really worth it?

First off there are these really cool new window effects. Ok I have to say they look very cool. But from what I?ve been reading I?ll need a 256 Meg video card just to use them. Then if this is the case how are my games going to react? If I need a 256 Meg video card for a game I?m trying to play do I then need a 512 card to accommodate both my game and windows? Or am I going to have to drop my windows display into a lower mode every time I want to do something graphical?

Then there are all these comments about how secure Vista will be. I?m sorry it?s a Microsoft operating system and I don?t care how secure they make it some one is going to crack it. Then I read about how the new Windows Defender will help block Spyware and prevent viruses. Well I have a Antivirus / Firewall / Spyware removal software that works just fine for that now.

Finally what version of the new Windows will I buy? There are seven to choose from and the question then becomes how expensive is this venture going to be?

Don?t get me wrong, I?m not going to just ship to Linux (though I thought about it). I like windows; I just wish Microsoft would take the time and produce something original. Even the new Windows effects look just like a combination of the new Mac OS and an OS by Sun called project looking glass.

I guess I?d like to hear other people?s opinions on Vista and see if I'm just a radical or if others agree.

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Corporate Mobile Users Will Be First

by markdmac In reply to It won't bomb, just slow ...

There are several new features for laptops that will have your mobile force itching to move to Vista. First off, support for hybrid drives which are half regular notebook drives and half flash memory. Vista will boot on the regular drive and then use the flash part while working. The power requirements for this type of drive usage are so low it can extend battery use by HOURS. Next is a feature that your PowerPoint addicted sales people will love. Attach a USB drive to the notebook and the available space on that becomes usable memory to beef up performance of that presentation.

I think that home adoption will indeed be slow when it comes to upgrades. New PCs will all ship with Vista.

In the corporate world, expect mobile users to be first. Companies with Enterprise Agreements & Software Assurance will be first to roll Vista out to everyone whose PC will support it. Most companies have a 2-4 year PC refresh policy, so it may take that long for an Enterprise to fully roll it out.

there are still lots of companies out there using Windows 2000 Pro for desktops. These are the guys that really NEED to upgrade. Windows 2000 is no longer supported by Microsoft. It is well past end of lifecycle and needs to be upgraded to ensure security remains tight in your environment. MS has not yet stopped making critical hotfixes for 2000 but expect that soon. Windows XP (with no service packs) is already not supported by MS. All hotfixes written today require either SP1 or SP2 be installed. When SP3 comes out, that will switch to requireing SP2 or SP3.

the live demo I saw of Vista had a lot of people going OOOH and AAHHHH over the graphics enhancements. I think they are certainly cool new features but don't tell a compelling enough story to get users to upgrade. I think that the tightened security, better performance (the TCP/IP stack was completely re-written for better performance)and way better power usage will be the reasons for people to move to this OS.

I've been thinking I want to go to 64 bit and Vista would be my choice for that.

I think it is good that Microsoft has pushed back the release date. MS knows how badly that will hurt the OEMs and would not do that unless they truly wanted to focus on the quality. As with any release I am sure we will find some minor problems here and there as people try to use some legacy hardware or software with it, but I expect this to be the best release of Windows ever.

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legal issues

by apotheon In reply to Corporate Mobile Users Wi ...

I think the reason Microsoft pushed back the Vista release has nothing to do with quality enhancement and everything to do with a lawsuit recently lost by MS that related to ActiveX. Check the news.

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No, that is not a factor

by markdmac In reply to legal issues

Patches for the ActiveX issue are already available, including for IE7. Expect them to hit on the next patch Tuesday.

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OS vs. browser

by apotheon In reply to No, that is not a factor

You don't know software architecture very well if you can't conceive of how Vista's ActiveX capabilities don't necessarily relate to IE's.

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Give it a rest

by markdmac In reply to OS vs. browser

This is not an issue of Vista or IE code being safe or ready. It has to do with a legal decision that requires Microsoft to change the way ActiveX is handled. Users will in some cases need to do a few extra clicks after installing the required patch to bring MS into compliance. The point I was trying to make is that Microsoft is shipping the new code for existing systems long before the release of Vista and therefore it will not be an issue with shipping Vista.

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legal vs. technical

by apotheon In reply to OS vs. browser

Yes, it's a matter related to ensuring ActiveX is handled legally. You're right. Thus, some code needs to be altered to handle it differently. What, you think the legal department just sets something down in writing and no programmers have to do anything to change the way software handles ActiveX controls? Is that it? It works by magic?

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Legal VS Technical

by markdmac In reply to legal issues

Had to reply to this message instead fo the one below because max message level was reached.

I know MS Legal does not have a magic wand to instantly change code. The point you are just not getting from this is that as stated above you said that you thought MS pushed back the release of Vista because of this one issue. That is rubbish. Microsoft has already notified Premier Support customers that they will get the required ActiveX update code on patch Tuesday of next month. It is already written. Do you really think the developers were told to wait to figure this out until the court decided on the case? No way.

Back to the original argument, MS has delayed Vista to ensure the code is rock solid. compared to all of the other problems beta testers are currently reporting there is still a lot of work to do before this code will be ready for the public. The latest beta is looking considerably more stable and almost there, but after closely looking at where they were with all the important features the tough decision was made to push back the release.

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short memory

by apotheon In reply to Legal VS Technical

It seems that you are having trouble holding more than one thought in your head at a time. I will remind you again of the fact that there is a difference between an IE patch and the Vista OS, and ActiveX functionality in Vista might require work beyond what is done in IE (especially since IE doesn't even implement ActiveX, it only allows it to pass through).

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It is still already fixed no matter WHERE.

by markdmac In reply to short memory

Arguing on the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Sure you can do it but you are still a retard.

I have personally seen the messages sent to Premier Support Customers and know that this has already been fixed and is not a factor in the delay of shipping Vista.

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how touching

by apotheon In reply to short memory

Your faith in the honesty of Microsoft's public relations flacks is truly inspiring.

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