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vista...whats all the hate for?

By Norehca ·
Its starting to get to me a bit. I respect your opinions, but im seeing alot of hate towards windows vista. I see nothing wrong with it. It works perfectly fine on my computer. It only took me a couple days to totally learn vista, so why are people talking about relearning vista. Yes it doesnt support certian programs and drivers. I expected so. What about the manufacturers of your hardware? I think they should be making drivers for vista. I think they are to blame as well. They knew it was coming, video card companies like ati and nvidia were ready. they even had drivers for the beta versions of vista! ANd i also dont think windows Vista is like mac osx. I have used it quite a bit before and i dont see like any similarites. It seems to me Microsoft is adding features that people like that are in other OS's.

Ive used Windows VIsta and i love it. Ive only had minor problems wih sound card drivers amd a few apps. I expected this and so i simply dual booted my system with xp and vista. ANd eventually Vista will take out XP and become the standard, just like xp took over 2000. Why do you hate vista? im not sure i get it.

For the sake of discussion why do you like or dislike vista?

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long format time

by apotheon In reply to I am also a MS Beta Teste ...

If you had bothered to do a search for "boot and nuke", mentioned as the means of formatting the driver, you'd have seen that something called Darik's Boot And Nuke is the number one Google hit for that search term. It does a complete, secure drive clear, not just a quick format, meant to clear the drive of all data -- including any left over artifacts of a Microsoft Windows install gone bad.

Such a format would require a couple things, at minimum: a boot sector cleaning, and a repeated write/erase cycle over the entire capacity of the drive. With the current size of hard drives, I'm surprised it only took that long to do such a thorough cleaning job. If that was actually necessary to do that to get the system working again, the MS Windows Vista install must have really screwed things up.

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I have used computers since 1984 way before hardrives

by Michael L Hereid Sr In reply to long format time

and have never ran into that problem.

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Wait until Vista hoses up your MBR

by jmgarvin In reply to I have used computers sin ...

I recently had this happen on a test box. I couldn't touch the MBR with any tools..It was unwritable/unreadable.

I had to boot and nuke the box to bring it back to life...loads of fun.

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I had a client whose box required that sort of treatment.

by apotheon In reply to I have used computers sin ...

I had a client -- we (the consultancy) used to call him "the Luddite" because he was such an incompetent terror with technology -- who had a habit of ignoring advice because it wasn't as fresh in his mind as the marketing message he'd heard on a given day. His little bitty company had three computers in it, two desktops and a server. Initially all three were XP, though the server eventually got migrated to SuSE Linux Professional 8.0 (thank goodness).

One day, about two days after we'd cautioned him carefully, at length, and in no uncertain terms against installing Service Pack 2 on his systems until we had a chance to check out compatibility issues so nothing would get hosed up, both his computer and the receptionist's computer popped up a little notification about the security benefits of SP2. Well, that sounded just dandy, so he told it to go ahead.

His computer was fine afterward, with the exception of some stuff that wasn't working properly because of the firewall that was activated in the default Microsoft configuration (which is to say: it was activated with a very brainless, designed to make things painful but not secure, configuration). The receptionist's computer, meanwhile, stopped working altogether.

It turned out that SP2's "security" features decided that the driver for the SATA controller wasn't properly certified for use with Windows, so it uninstalled the thing. Unfortunately, that controller was for the OS drive. Trying to boot the system would get it to a certain (early) point, and fail out.

First, I had to recover the data. Then, I had to reinstall the OS -- and yes, I did try to repair the OS before reinstalling, but XP SP2 was having none of that.

It turned out that something had been changed in the boot sector of the drive, so a simple reinstall wasn't enough.

. . . and that's the story of how I had to stop one hair short of a low-level format just to get Windows working again after SP2 was installed.

By the way, when we reminded him that we'd asked him to avoid installing SP2 until we'd had a chance to do something about it, and to not touch anything until I arrived (twenty minutes later) with toolkit in hand, he panicked and tried to use Add/Remove Programs to uninstall SP2 on his own system, where SP2 was actually not screwing up the system. That, however, killed it.

Yeah, we called him "the Luddite".

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I have also been working with computers a long while

by rclark In reply to I had a client whose box ...

And yes, I have had to low level format systems before.

In almost all cases, those low level formats were caused by OS data purposely being written to out of bound tracks for security purposes.

MS is serious about catching prirates and virus programs, and that is one way to do it. Don't know if they did or not, but when you control the kernel, you can do anything you want with the OS. It's all light switches, either hardware or software.

So if you reinstall over a previous version of the OS, and there is data in an out of bound track, then reformating the hard drive or reparing the installation won't get rid of your security problem. That is why it is done.

You have to low level format with reset of the disk sectors to erase out of bound data. I've even had to low level format with a change in sector size, then change back to get rid of some data.

So much is automatic now that I try not to play with bits and bytes at that level anymore. Just let them have their way and it usually works better. But all this technology is still built the same way it always was. So at the hardware level, it acts the same as it aways did. Faster yes, smaller and more compact, but still bits and bytes.

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yes thats me

by Norehca In reply to Not all of us are Compute ...

im a student in high school! Still have learning to do and thats why i start these discussions because i love to hear peoples opinions and what they think and why. I learn alot from these discussions. I have tried the beta versions and they sucked in my opinion. Couldnt even get it connected to the internet! Of course i had a wierd configuration at the time with my pc being used as a router because we didnt have one at the time. Thats not excuse obviously. But Vista in my experience has improves a ton since beta. Ive installed Vista on one other computer as well, my sisters. Has an AMD Athlon 2400+ or something and 1GB of RAM. It has a Radeon 9600 XT and runs Vista fine. My mother also got a laptop with Vista and it works fine but of course it came pre-installed so that doesnt count. I have yet to try it on any other computer.

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Would you like to change your original statement?

by HomusOnline In reply to vista...whats all the hat ...

Found this:<br />
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Apparently that Vista install is not quite as shiny anymore. I say we turn this over as another chapter in a typical M$ OS roll-out.

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Welcome to the social

by roaming In reply to Would you like to change ...


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It's the Vista

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Would you like to change ...

was great until I tried to do something with my PC Club.

Apparently membership is transferring rapidly.

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Well it's obvious....

by willda In reply to vista...whats all the hat ...

that you are posting just to get a response (good or bad...mostly bad I suspect) or to see your writings on a web page. You've had your share of problems as you other threads clearly show.
I had a friend who is in the computer retail & repair business tell me a little (true) tale a few years ago, that I will share with you.

This friend had a call from a lady who wanted a quote for a new pc. She told him what she wanted to be able to do with it, so he could guess at the hardware she needed. He gave her his quote (which she liked) then she asked: "What's your 24 hours tech support phone number?" He explained that he had only a small business and that he would gladly take support calls during business hours (8am-5pm). She said "I need a 24 hours toll-free number!" This raised a bunch of red flags for him and he asked " Why do you need a 24 hour toll-free number?" She then told him that she often sets up all night playing with & breaking things and "Had to have" the 24 hour support. He told her that Dell and Gateway could help her. What he didn't tell her was that he did not need HER business THAT bad. IMHO this is a perfect description of you and many others who know just enough to be dangerous at the keyboard of a pc.


Sorry, I had not meant this to be a major flame. Just got a little too high on my soap box. I learned by playing with things (back on DOS 6 and WFW 3.11) but I used my head to work through the problems I created (and reinstalled a bunch of times)and never created problems on critical systems.


There I fell better now that I have vented a little bit!

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