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Water on the moon.

By boxfiddler Moderator ·

"The presence of significant quantities of ice on the lunar surface catapults the moon from an interesting waypoint to a critical launching pad for humanity's exploration of the cosmos," said Peter Diamandis, CEO and chairman of the X Prize Foundation, which is running a $30 million contest for private moon rovers. "We're entering a new era of lunar exploration ? 'Moon 2.0,' in which an international group of companies and governments will use the ice and other unique resources of the moon to help us expand the sphere of human influence, and to help us monitor and protect the Earth."

My thoughts are all over the place with this one. The most prevalent reeks of incongruity. We don't manage our own planet well.

Corporate interests (business!) exploit well and are probably best capable of getting us 'out there'. Yet those same interests appear blind to the devastating effect of their expertise.

We're known for short-sightedness, we humans. Despite my 'Oh, this is way too cool' initial response, I have misgivings.

What do y'all think about ice on the moon? Will we go there and do that?

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Yes Davette I know that

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to The Moon isn't in space

And I was just saying that Oil is not the answer as we need something different that is far less efficient than what we currently use/abuse.

All of the uses for oil in current use is highly wasteful and inefficient. They where all based on the mistaken premise that Oil was in vast supplies and freely available which at the time it was but is no longer. Not to mention Cheap

None of those conditions apply any more and we are on the downward trip as the Supplies run out and hence become far more expensive.

It's already way past the time that we should have been investigating new Technologies to replace Oil but have yet to begin looking in any serious manner.


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Excellent point, HAL

by NickNielsen In reply to The Moon isn't in space

But the problem is that none of the people running corporations these days have the 'nads to step up and say "Hey, what about the future." Or maybe it's the brains they don't have; given the size of some of these bonuses, they aren't lacking in audacity.

In either case, to the leaders of most businesses today, the future is the next quarterly report and that's as far as they can (or will) see.


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Maybe they

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to The Moon isn't in space

don't give a rat's @ss, too. Maybe all they care about is the money and power they can collect over the course of their dim, short lives on this planet.

(Disillusioned, moi?)

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We know they're all selfish bastards

by NickNielsen In reply to The Moon isn't in space

I don't think that's been in question for years. But I think their behavior is based on a syndrome, very closely related to Toni's "Alone in the World", called "I Deserve It".

I keep waiting for one of them to get pinned down by a Congressional committee and respond with words to the effect of "I don't run this company for the benefit of anybody except myself." In other words, the truth.

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Sadly, persons in power

by Michael Jay In reply to The Moon isn't in space

rarely think of the greater good, just their own power and control.

If they would think above themselves just a little the world would be a much better place.


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I still vividly remember the Head of James Hardy

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to The Moon isn't in space

Appearing before a Senate Inquiry saying with a straight Face words to the effect that if the AU Authorities allow JH to move out of AU to the Netherlands where they could not be Prosecuted that the Money that JH had promised for Asbestos Victims was assured.

Then 2 years latter JH stops making payments to the Fund that they established and I'm betting that they will never start paying their commitments again. OK so the GFC came and hit them hard but not hard enough to stop the Bonus's the the Heads of the place.


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Where would you stage?

by seanferd In reply to The Moon is no use to any ...

I think the Moon, especially if there are sufficient supplies of water and other minerals for relatively long-term use, would make an excellent staging area to go to the asteroids. Much cheaper getting off the Moon, and you get to keep a lot more of the fuel you start with.

But the asteroids are indeed where the big haul would be. Loads of nickel and iron, plenty of rare-earth elements.

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Depends on the technology that we use

by neilb@uk In reply to Where would you stage?

The Moon only any good if we can find a source of stuff that we need. If we use, say, water as something to push out of the back of our rocket motors then we may need the Moon if there really is lots of easy water there - which I doubt.

Other than that, I fear that the maintenance of a Moon colony would simply suck up resources, we'd lose interest and it would be Apollo all over again.

We need proper reusable spacecraft.

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Absolutely. All points taken.

by seanferd In reply to Depends on the technology ...

I wouldn't consider a Moon Colony to be a good thing. I think of it only as a place to make fuel, assuming there is enough water, by dissociating the water into hydrogen and oxygen with electricity production afforded by the high availability of sunlight.

If you can also fabricate parts for spacecraft there - spacecraft which don't need to be able to withstand the stresses of atmospheric travel and high gravity - I think it is a good idea. Particularly if you can get enough of the right minerals there. It would also be easier to dump off metals from the asteroids on the Moon.

I think of it as a bridgehead, if it is workable. Mostly automated, even better. Moonbase Alpha? Why bother.

Of course, space elevators would be a really good way to go on fuel and materials economy in building spacecraft. Ship it all out of the atmosphere and gravity well first.

That all being said, I don't think we should bother to try and do this all really soon. Do just what is needed to explore and develop the tech.

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We are our problems, Ed.

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Managing our planet

We'll take them wherever we go.

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