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Palmy, I think Vista did have some technical issues, but they were ones

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Vista failing

created by trying to incorporate bad marketing decisions into the software - kind of like the Metro GUI for a desktop is a VERY BAD marketing decision being forced on the Win 8 OS in a technical way. The biggest one was the marketing people forcing the release of Vista before it was really technically ready.

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Vista's biggest technical issues...

by Vulpinemac In reply to Vista failing

... were the simple fact that it lacked nearly all of the drivers it needed even for basic operation. Until SP1 Vista was seriously crippled by its simple inability to use almost every peripheral device and even in-box components at more than a primitive level. Vista didn't really come into its own until SP1.

I know. I had to use it myself in order to support any clients who might have chosen to replace their XP with it.

Speaking of iOS and Win8--well, iOS has obviously made its mark as a successful OS despite the naysayers and iOS 6 will clearly take that up another notch. Win8 isn't fully released yet and I won't deny that many techies absolutely hate the Metro interface; but I do believe those techies are going to find out that their users will like the change, especially if those same users start using Microsoft's Surface devices with RT and Pro.
Again noting that this is a personal opinion, I believe that the integration between RT and Pro will be much like Apple's iOS to OS X--not totally obvious yet almost seamless at swapping files back and forth between same-name applications. As an example, iBooks lets you read a story between several different devices without having to search for the last page you read on a different device; iWork lets you pick up a file you were working on with your desktop and review/edit that work on the iPad without any form of manual synchronization--the two OSes become little more than extensions of each other. While the Windows equivalents may be a little different, I fully expect that integration to be fully as seamless--especially compared to Android where nearly everything has to be synched manually and often with physical media.

I'm not one to arbitrarily call something a success or failure until I see practical reviews or work with it myself and can offer an educated experience. I won't deny that I have strong opinions about things but those opinions are almost always based on personal experience.

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Vista worked fine if your expectations were reasonable

by JJFitz In reply to Vista failing

When computers were sold with Vista pre-installed, they worked perfectly well. Problems usually cropped up when people tried to upgrade their existing systems from XP to Vista before checking for working drivers. In addition, some folks had unreasonable expectations that their 10 year old SCSI flat bed scanner would work without checking for drivers first (for example).
Even Windows ME worked fine when purchased with a new system. I still have a Dell Dimension 4100 that came with Win ME. It is sitting under my desk as I write this. (I have a hard time throwing computers away.) It never gave me any issues. Why? Because the computer was designed around the OS.

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MS pushed it for older hardware.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Vista worked fine if your ...

They marketed it as an upgrade for XP, but the minimum system requirements were even more inadequate than MS usually recommends. If you had an six or seven year old XP system, it wasn't going run V worth a darn, and hardware manufacturers weren't going to write drivers for older hardware they no longer produced.

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You and I understood that

by JJFitz In reply to MS pushed it for older ha ...

Unfortunately, the average consumer thought that their computer would be magically faster with a Vista upgrade.
I'm not apologizing for Microsoft. They did a bad thing by claiming that Vista would work on the minimum specs they stated.
I took it with a grain of salt.
When friends and colleagues with XP boxes asked me about upgrading their older computers to Vista, their usual reason was to speed up their computer. Maybe Microsoft claimed it would. Who knows? I would always recommend that they first try a fresh install of Win XP. They were usually thrilled with the results.

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I'll acknowledge that Vista may have worked better when pre-installed...

by Vulpinemac In reply to Vista worked fine if your ...

... but I do remember (and I'm sure the data is searchable on Google) the hundreds of blog postings and tens of thousands of comments about how even many of those machines seemed underpowered and, at least until SP1, downgraded back to XP. By nearly every review that I read, Vista SP1 should have been the release version of Vista.

In my view, Microsoft panicked when Longhorn wasn't progressing and they rushed Vista out as a filler after 5 years of nothing more than service packs on XP. I would almost say that Win7 is the culmination of the Longhorn project, except that Longhorn was supposed to be a full rewrite of Windows to make it leaner and more efficient (they did cut about 4gig of legacy code somehow) but then to read where in '11 a security patch was covering a Win'95 vulnerability that was supposedly already inaccessible says that it wasn't a re-write but merely another layer of new features and graphical fluff pretty much over the old code. Windows has gotten faster not through good design, but rather by benefit of improved hardware. Again, that is my view.

My expectations were reasonable, but the media had a field day with the "Vista Ready" stickers on so many machines.

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Slow when pre-installed

by CharlieSpencer In reply to I'll acknowledge that Vis ...

That was another marketing decision. MS had several different hardware certifications. These included variations on Vista Ready, Vista Compatible, Vista Capable, Vista Premium Plus, etc. Only one (I don't recall which) mandated hardware that had any business running the OS. The others allowed manufacturers to slap a Vista logo on the carton when the system included the typical minimum hardware specs.

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I'm looking at a "Vista Capable" laptop right now

by JJFitz In reply to Slow when pre-installed

It's still running XP. - and it works beautifully.
Did I expect it to work better with Vista? No.
How did I know this? I researched the drivers and ran the Vista compatibility application. The drivers weren't there and the Vista app told me that I would have issues.
A sticker is not enough to convince me.

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but a sticker is good enough for an OEM PC supplier -nt

by Deadly Ernest In reply to I'm looking at a "Vista C ...
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And a sticker is good enough for an OEM's intended customers. Also no text

by CharlieSpencer In reply to I'm looking at a "Vista C ...
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