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What About Global Warming?

By FluxIt ·
I read through several Global Warming threads and saw many things that were curious. Then I came across this article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

While I have not made a decision on the human contribution to Global Warming, I have a tendency towards a neglible impact. I believe that Global Warming is a natural process and that the natural has a greater impact on the climate than human influence. Certianly, humans cause an impact but it is usually a whisp in the spanse of time and space.

What do you think about the article?

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Yes, but I don't

by neilb@uk In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

want to put you on trial for Climate Denial.

Actually, I'm interested in finding out if you've really room to moan. I've had no exposure to what US politicians who have a real chance of wielding power want to do to you in the name of global warming. Could you point me at a couple of sources of what might (i.e. there's a good chance) be pushed on you by a Democrat administration so that I can compare them to the likes of Mayor Red Ken Livingstone and his aim to turn London into "The Greenest City in the World".

Neil :)

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Why the global warming zealots are dangerous (Rant Warning!)

by maxwell edison In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

Frivolous lawsuits, in the name of global warming, being filed against auto makers (and others?). It will achieve absolutely nothing, except add to the cost of an automobile, not to mention the fact that it will place additional burdens on an already struggling auto industry. We need to find ways to boost our auto industry, not beat it down even more.

CO2 "reduction measures", by way of regulation and control. Any attempt at forcing business and industry to adopt "new technologies" before the natural market forces lead to such change, will only cost the consumer more to purchase that particular product or service.

Carbon credits and/or carbon taxes, especially the ones being advanced by the United Nations. The power of taxation is the power of control. We've seen it in the USA since 1**3, and the United Nations is foaming at the mouth to get its claws of control into the USA. No thanks. Moreover, if the USA's very own global warming zealots get their way, you can bet your sweet bippie that some sort of carbon tax is on the horizon. (By the way, what's a bippie?)

The Democrat Party and the Democrat Party activists are using "global warming" as a wedge issue, one to influence people to vote for them. Their disingenuous claims are a veiled attempt to scare voters, hopefully securing their support for the sole purpose of gaining power. Once in power, they can then use their positions to advance their more socialist agenda (nationalized health care, for example, something that would never fly unless they're in the majority).

I could go on, but that will do for now.

----- Rant warning!

Bottom line: It never was, it isn't now, and it never will be about protecting the environment or saving the planet. It's about control. Control over business and control over individual lives. Drive what I say you can drive, not what you want to drive. Sell what I say you can sell, not what you want to sell. Make it the way I tell you to make it, not how you think it should be made. Reduce dependence on foreign oil, but I won't let you drill for your own. And on it goes.

Not only that, but all the advocates make me want to puke. All the disingenuous Al Gores of the world are sickening. I don't want them preaching to me, all the while not doing what they ask others to do. I can't stand hypocrites, and they're hypocrites of the worst kind. And to segue into another example, people like Bono preaching to the world to spend more money to "help the poor", all the while taking his own money out of his very own country in order to avoid taxes. They're all advocates for some pet cause, one that in reality, they couldn't care less about. They do it to get exposure, to sell books, to sell films, and stroke their own over-inflated egos. And they take the public for being fools, trying to get them to buy into it. (Of course, some of them are so damn stupid, they have no idea what they're spewing.)

And it's the politicians and advocates, not only leading the pack of global warming zealots, but who make up almost ALL of the "cause". It's 99 percent all this crap, and only 1 percent science. And people like Colin have the nerve to suggest I'm always dragging politics into the issue. He has it bass-ackwards!

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I don't mean to pick on you Neil

by sn53 In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

"You and sn53 and others are getting exactly what you want in terms of your government's response"

True. Today. But there are socialists in the wings would would be King. They love Euro-socialists more than their country or its Constitution. We must remain vigilant.

"...and yet the vitriol that you pour onto the "leftist environmentalist whacko traitors" is extreme."

Leftist environmental whacko is an accurate label. "Traitors" is another thread. It is for people who are working for their nation's defeat. Being stupid is not traitorous, just stupid.

"I, and those of us who feel that we have a legitimate worry, have had to sit back over the years of the Bush administration"

You may do as you wish with your own country. Just keep your hands off my freedoms and liberty. It really doesn't matter that you "feel".

"and watch the World's greatest polluter"

Really? Is that some sort of a record? The World's Greatest Polluter"? Wow. I had no idea. Everywhere I look around me is clean.

The former communist nations are the truly dirty places, the truly polluted places.

"continue on as if nothing is happening and nothing different is going to happen."

Or continue on as if global change has always occurred and will continue to occur. Even if it hurts your feelings.

"There seems very little that anyone can do from inside or outside of your country and your government to prevent the continuing trend of rising CO2 derived from fossil fuels of which one quarter of the yearly total is generated by the good ol' US of A. (Note that the venerable Dr. Singer doesn't deny THAT, at least)."

My advice to you is for you to bloom where you were planted. If you feel strongly about it then do whatever you think you must in your country. And leave mine alone.

"I accept that we, as foreigners, have no "right" to say or do anything contrary to the will of the mighty US"

We agree after all.

"but you have to accept that at the very least "IT PISSES US OFF"."

But you see, I don't really care if you don't like it. I think your real problem just might be p e n i s envy.

"Ah well. We can wait and see what the next administration does."

Here is to hoping for a Euro-socialist to control the US. That really is the hope of the world, isn't it?

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re: "but you have to accept" - Au, contraire!

by Absolutely In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

I, and those of us who feel that we have a legitimate worry, have had to sit back over the years of the Bush administration and watch the World's greatest polluter continue on as if nothing is happening and nothing different is going to happen. There seems very little that anyone can do from inside or outside of your country and your government to prevent the continuing trend of rising CO2 derived from fossil fuels of which one quarter of the yearly total is generated by the good ol' US of A. (Note that the venerable Dr. Singer doesn't deny THAT, at least).

Build me an electric...does Britain even manufacture any automobiles any more?

I hope the irony isn't lost on you, Neil.

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maxwell edison is right: "It's about control."

by Absolutely In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

You can see it in neilb's message:

"Actually, I'm interested in finding out if you've really room to moan. (Translation: I want to know if you're likely to suffer enough for my liking.) I've had no exposure to what US politicians who have a real chance of wielding power want to do to you in the name of global warming. (No exposure? You know a great deal about GWB's climate policies, when it suits you to know that!) Could you point me at a couple of sources of what might (i.e. there's a good chance) be pushed on you by a Democrat administration so that I can compare them to the likes of Mayor Red Ken Livingstone and his aim to turn London into "The Greenest City in the World". (Translation: I want to know if you're likely to suffer as much as I expect to suffer.)

maxwell edison:

"It's about control. Control over business and control over individual lives. Drive what I say you can drive, not what you want to drive. Sell what I say you can sell, not what you want to sell. Make it the way I tell you to make it, not how you think it should be made. Reduce dependence on foreign oil, but I won't let you drill for your own. And on it goes."

People who expect the right to control they haven't earned make me sick!

Maxwell, I apologize for not being clearer about the politics of this issue all along. I've been recently paying attention to the cultural aspects of the various parties to this and some other debates, and I'm decided: Leftists can kiss my hairy mule!

I'll be looking into the scientific research you have posted to support your position next, but I plan to be thorough, so I might not say much about it for a while.

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Absolutely: A few, but generally smaller engined...

by neilb@uk In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

But every bit as fast and mostly faster than the total slug of a car that I hired when I was in the US last.

Irony only works if the statement that you make is actually obviously untrue.

:)

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But of course Britain also produces such economical cars as

by JamesRL In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

The Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, Lotus, TVR etc.

Though to be fair there is a Jag with a diesel engine which is relatively economical.

But it is true that Britains and europeans tend to drive smaller cars. Your roads are smaller, your city streets smaller, you gas incredibly expensive. You will find that places like Quebec City, which have narrow streets similar to European cities, also tend to favour small cars.

I love watching Top Gear (BBC car show) review American cars and scowl, but simply put they are built for wider, straighter roads where handling is not as important, and gas is relatively cheap.

James
James

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re: "Irony only works if..."

by Absolutely In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

I completely forgot about Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover, and your other marvels of fuel-efficiency!

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How could I forget

by JamesRL In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

Rolls Royce, Bentley, Lotus....

But to be fair again, Ford in UK builds mostly small cars as do Rover, Vauxhaul.

You know what, I realize that in terms of numbers, UK has more auto manufacturers than the US, though some of them are in financial turmoil.

James

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Jaguar, Range Rover, etc

by neilb@uk In reply to Then why are YOU getting ...

OK, I'll take my lumps on those but until I see the likes of the Ford Ka or (bletch!) the Smart on US roads in large numbers, I'll continue to reckon that I'm ahead on points.

http://www.pepecar.com/img/vehiculo/ford_ka_g.jpg
http://dailygameplan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fortwo_smart_car_5.jpg

Neil

p.s. Don't come the old crap about you "driving more". The reason that I owe Maxwell a steak is that I lost a bet about the difference in per capita miles between the US and UK and it was closer that I thought!

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