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What everyone's forgetting about Linux is....

By ulrichburke ·
Nothing runs on it! It's got hardly any programs that work on it (yet). It can emulate Windows enough to fool some Windows progs to work on it, for sure. But it doesn't have anything much of its own.

The whole argument's sitting in the early days of Apple vs. Microsoft. If you're a geek who wants to look cool and virtuous and seem One Up on the Rest of the Computing Community, feel free to use Linux. You won't be able to get any work done much but hey, man, you'll look goood. If you want to get SOME work done and spend a WEDGE of cash on a machine that aint that fast, get an Applemac. You'll still look cool but you'll have a few more pieces of software (not counting Bootcamp!)

If you want to get a LOT of work done, on a fast machine that cost as much as an Imac but has higher specs all round, I'm afraid the world's still PC based. Like it or not, the vast majority of software is built to run on Windows. Emulated windows is always going to be slow and clunky and only some things will run on it. That goes for Bootcamp and the Linux equivalent, the name of which escapes me.

The other problem with Linux is it comes in SO many builds, you have to be Ubergeek to install it, let alone use it. It's WAAY back in the Seventies. Then, you had Apples, BBC Micros, Spectrums, Commodores, all similar, all with differences that meant you couldn't use their software on eachothers systems easily. Now, you can find programs that will only run on ONE PARTICULAR FLAVOUR of Linux. And it's not necessarily Red Hat or Ubuntu.

When Linux has got its act together so any Linux program can run on any Linux machine, when it's got at least as much software as there is for Applemacs, doing as many things, when it's got a decent GUI (Gnome 3 DOES look promising, have to say) then it will be worth looking at. Until then, you can bleat all you like about how safe it is, the bottom line is how USABLE an operating system is. And an operating system sans applications is, frankly, a waste of time. (I write computer music. Is there ANYTHING that would let me run Sampletank with Miroslav Orchestra and a decent notation package on a Linux machine? Nope, didn't think so.)

Sorry, Linux guys, the world is PC and will be for a long time to come.


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Obscurity is not security

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Sure

Windows get's attacked a lot because most attacks are likely to succeed. We are talking about an OS that got taken out by someone looking at a picture, a movie, a word document.

Kernel space versus user space, where windows fails architecturally, still....

Training, as in windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME, NT3.51, NT4 ... Win7 64


Back Office...

All those things people are just born knowing!

It's you and I that struggle with a different OS, because we are deep inside it, users just see buttons, menus and edit boxes, linux desktops have them.

The corporate point of view isn't that windows is a given, but that it was taken as a given so long ago, the cost of switching an existing set up is vastly out step with short term gain from doing so.

Even with a free OS and a free application for every use you have now, it's still not a sound commercial decision to do so. Roll out, retraining, probably re-tooling means you have to look very long term to see a benefit.

So yes there's a commercial argument against it, there isn't a technical one to be had though. The only thing linux can't do all that well, is be windows, because it isn't.

I recomend you check out Chad Perrin's security blog on this site.

The points you are comimng up with are far from new, they've been thoroughly shot down by people far more knowledgable than I.

I've used and developed for linux in the workplace, also HP, Unix, VMS, and DOS. The bulk of my career has been in windows though. I'm all too familiar with it's various failings, not to mention what commercially driven devlopment means in terms of technical quality.

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As you work in IT

by j-mart In reply to Sure

Do a bit of research, read a few technical books, get to know a bit about various OS's how they work, the advantages and disadvantages of there basic architecture.

The basic design of Unix and Unix-like systems was done by some very clever people, and not being stupid they designed it to be inherently secure in a multi-connected, multi-user enviroment. so instead of showing us how litle you know, go away and learn something, after all IT is what you do for a living, your opinion will hold more weight when you know what you are talking about

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The one bright thing about his load of bollocks post

by j-mart In reply to Sheesh guy, you've been a ...

He is not directly employed in the IT feild, unlike some that talk bollocks and list IT as their profession.

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To get things done?

by tonyfull In reply to Sheesh guy, you've been a ...

Most folk use M$ Word, Outlook and IE in the workplace and not a lot else, the same can be achieved with OpenOffice, Firefox and Evolution under Linux.

I rest my case.

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My 2 cents

by Clayman1000x In reply to To get things done?

Spot on brother, I have been using Ubuntu since 9.04 along with XP Pro. I have used Gnome and KDE and like them both. I will never turn to W7 unless it is given to me free of charge. Ubuntu does have a way to go to be really user friendly which is what needs to happen to become a mainstream OS. I have never been able to play any of my games because I can't get Wine to work, I can't print with Ubuntu because I can't get the right drivers, everywhere I looked I could not find my printer model to find drivers. I have a Lexmark X74-75 and Lexmark does not even list it as a real All-in-one model. I had a **** of a time even with windows installing this printer. Go to Lexmark, you cannot find this model in their list. But I will continue to play and learn more about Ubuntu in the future, I am now using 10.04.

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Getting things done

by Marc Thibault In reply to To get things done?

You have no case and you rested too soon.

It's Word and Excel, and if you think Open Office is anywhere near a substitute, you haven't used them.

I work with Word and Excel (I'll leave out Visio to avoid the appearance of piling-on) every day and make effective use of their features. Every so often, I get whimsical, download the latest version, and feed a document or two to Open Office to see what it does. The Word results aren't horrible, and with some work the original typographic intent might be recovered. The Excel results are, to be kind, comical. Calc doesn't even try to do many of the things I consider routine.

Most important, Open Office can't do VBA, so it's completely out of the running for serious work.

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It all depends on your point of view, doesn't it?

by NickNielsen In reply to Getting things done

Most important, Open Office can't do VBA, so it's completely out of the running for serious work.

Isn't that kind of like saying that Firefox can't do ActiveX, so it's completely out of the running for serious browsing? I know quite a few people who don't consider VBA suitable for anything remotely related to serious work.

And why buy more than you need? Of the over 500 users I've supported in the last 11 years, 2 required more than the basic document creation, formatting, and editing capability provided in Wordpad.

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by serpentsnare In reply to Getting things done

Call me when Word can do even half of what LaTeX can do.

Really, all word processors suck.

Oh - and anyone can read a PDF produced by LaTeX. No proprietary software needed on the receiving end to properly view (or print) the content.

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Here's an old list

by seanferd In reply to What everyone's forgettin ...

But if you want your preferred commercial apps to run on a Linux distro, you'd have to get the software vendors to code for Linux, either in-house or with community help. The Linux community or commercial devs can't just port those apps to Linux.

Or you could run Windows in VM, (or a Linux in a VM on Windows, etc.).

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Full of sound and fury...

by NickNielsen In reply to What everyone's forgettin ...

signifying nothing.

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