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Who still supports 98?

By master3bs ·
I am slowly beginning the process of bringing my company (a government facility) up to date. About 90% of the workstations here are Windows 98. I'm trying to find the resources to bring in new pc's but that's going to take a while.

In the meantime, believe it or not, I'm updating a bunch of computers from 98 to 98SE. Fortunately I'm very comfortable with 98; but it is becoming a mess to administer particular when needing to add to the systems as little today is compatible with the OS.

A non Windows OS isn't a viable option because of training and compatibility with our systems. And most of the current machines simply won't handle XP.

Do many of the other techs here have to support 98 like this?

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by ITgirli In reply to Why Not ME ??

ME is the most vile creation. No one should ever use it. 98SE is preferable to ME. Upgrade to 2000 if need be, but never ME.

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ME Support

by TheChas In reply to Why Not ME ??

Sorry, at least as far as patches and direct support from Microsoft, Windows ME reached it's end of life on the same date as W98 SE.

Microsoft won't even certify new drivers for W98 or ME!

Windows ME was always the poor step-sister of Windows 2000.

Numerous system problems were never addressed.

ME was replaced by XP Home.

If I was going to spend my own, or my companies money on a Windows OS upgrade, it would be to XP Pro.

Stability and security along with support are my prime criteria.

There is also a continually growing list of business applications that will not run on W98 or ME.

A lot of people have been lulled into a false sense of security with W98 and ME as Microsoft issued very few patches to either over the past 2 years.
Read the security bulletins VERY closely, Windows 98 and ME are subject to most of the same security holes that were patched on Windows 2000 and XP. Microsoft just did not deem the problems as significant enough to require a patch for W98 or ME.

Windows ME is less qualified than W98 to be on any networked PC in a business environment.


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I do and I like it

by PKA In reply to Who still supports 98?

So far I have yet to see much that ME or XP can do that 98 can't in as working environment except devour resources. In your gvmnt environment and all the problems xp has with older software and hardware you are probably much better off staying at 98SE or below.

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Domain membership...

by wdewey In reply to I do and I like it

For central administration I like the tools that 2000/XP provide. Central user management through a domain, the ability to push apps, the ability to remotely connect to users workstations and make changes to them, file permissions, built in support for zip archives.


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What a Waste of Money

by HerbyDumpling In reply to Who still supports 98?

The problem with supporting Windows 9X is that it is usually on old hardware. Old hardware is slow hardware! As an IT support contractor I charge by the hour. To do anything on slow takes twice the time, and most of that time is spent just waiting for things to happen (watching paint dry). This is a waste of the customer's money. New fast hardware is now so cheap it is almost disposable. At less than ?500 for a good branded system unit (not Dell c**p) it saves a company money by replacing its hardware at very regular intervals (say every 2 or 3 years). If the hardware is replaced why still stay with the old operating systems. XP and Windows 2003 are so much better than Windows 9X, so who, except a miser, would want to stick with an inferior product.
If working on a faster computer/server saves the company just 10 hours of my time over the life of the system unit it has more than paid for itself.
Out with the slow - in with the fast.
Yes, I do like Windows 9X but its day has come and gone. RIP. With the need for better security it just can not keep up with the damands of today's world.

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I support it still, and Win95 too!

by pos_techie In reply to Who still supports 98?

I work with pos terminals, most of which are windows 95 and 98. Which is fine, as long as the servers they connect to are Windows NT. Add in a Windows 2000 workstation or server OS on the fileserver and things start to get dicey. Add in a Windows 2003 Server or XP OS on the fileserver and things get even scarier! And having been using these OS's for so long, the terminals themselves are pretty easy to work on when we do have problems and are stable, don't have the virus problems that are so common with the NT kernel based OS's. But like I said, when you add in the newer more secure OS on the fileserver, that's when all heck breaks loose and I scramble to find resolutions to permission problems that didn't exist with the older OS's.

In regards to the software not being able to run on Win98, I haven't run into that as much as for Windows NT. The most popular firewall programs and antivirus programs will not run on NT, but will on 98. So go figure.

And to the people that keep telling you to upgrade the hardware and get on XP, they must have missed the line where you mention that you work for the government. Do they want to pay even higher taxes (fed, state, or local) so you can upgrade all those legacy systems? I didn't think so...

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I still support 98SE

by gregunit In reply to Who still supports 98?

I have two customers that are 90% Win98SE
They both have Win4.0 servers and exchange 5.5
One company plans to upgrade by purchasing a new workstation each month with XP pro and will upgrade their server 12/06
The other has no plan.

So far we have few problems with either company

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Use ME

by iceman52 In reply to Who still supports 98?

For the last 3 years, I've been redeploying machines w/CPUs greater than 600MHz and 384MB RAM. You will end up with a machine that is ~2.5x faster and more stable than a native install of Win98 or ME.

While Win98 becomes unstable when you load apps into memory past 128MB, WinME w/98lite is stable up to at least 384MB RAM. Here's how I build older machines into 2x their tax life:

1) expand memory to 384-512MB RAM
2) flash the motherboard to the latest BIOS
3) zero the HD using manufacturer utility wherever possible; use KILLDISK when not:

4) install WinME using litePC's 98lite installer utility in 'chubby' mode:

5) add Stellant's Quick View Plus v8

6) add Adobe 6.02 (avoid v7x unless you're using WinXP)

7) add Firefox 1.0.7. Discourage users from using IE except for online virus scanning with Trend Micro's Housecall:

add Sun StarOffice 8 or MS-Office 2000 (avoid Office XP as unredeemably insecure with tattleware)

9) collect a bonus from management for having doubled the lifecycle of your client-side infrastructure and skipped XP while you comfortably stage for migration to MS-Vista or Xandros Linux.

Joe Tocci
Superuser, Inc.

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