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Why are vendors demanding WinXP?

By jdclyde ·
What could possibly be worse than buying a product and missing the fine print about requirements? That it isn't a speed requirement, but an OS requirement.

Bought my boys each an MP3 player. Chose not to go with an Ipod.

We get up Christmas morning, and they see they each have a 512M MP3 player and are geeked!

The problems start when we try to fire this pig up. Great, they system requirements are incompatable with my boys PC. Too slow? Not enough memory? Not enough free disk space? WRONG. It HAS to have WinXPsp1 or higher. What crap is this? And what in the world would have ever made me think for a second that this piece of crap would not run as a simple USB flash drive?

Will I EVER again purchace anything from http://www.iriveramerica.com ? You can bet your LIFE I will not, and I will strongly recommend against it to anyone I see.

Got the T30 model.

What are you thinking iRiver? Locking yourself to an operating system?

Now I get to look for a hack to get this friggen pig to work on win2k or setup a XP partition just so we can do mp3's.

I wonder if linux would work with this? Have been meaning to setup a linux desktop at home after the holidays, and if it will work for these devices then that would be all the kick in the a$$ I need!

Well, off to research what it will take to get these going. Anyone got any ideas?

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Actually...

by noyoki In reply to Time to load one up

I would recommend downloading a couple of versions of Knoppix. As far as I understand it, they have Knoppix versions of most (all?) of the major distros.

Knoppix is a bootable CD that installs nothing on the hard drive. Whatever OS is on the computer is unaffected (just make sure to set the bios to boot from CD first, if it isn't already). The issue is that you loose your settings each time you reboot. (But it's fine if you leave your computer on.) This will let you "taste" the different flavors before going through the actual (sometimes hour or more long) install.

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What fun would that be?

by jdclyde In reply to Actually...

How could I "break" it if it never installs? Where is the fun in that?

Time? It just will be going on a system that is not in use now anyways, and will be next to my gaming system. Let that disk roll, I can amuse myself while it loads!

And I do have SOME linux desktop experience, just not much. Like I said earlier, mostly a server from the promt kind of guy and now I just need to use that "new fangled technology"! B-)

I would LOVE to make a linux gaming system. After my house sells, there will be a new computer in the family!

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Gaming..

by noyoki In reply to What fun would that be?

As far as fun in crashing, lol, I meant it would give you a taste of how the OS handled itself before spending hours on one and realizing you didn't like it and having to install another.

Honestly, the only thing keeping me on Windummy for my main computer is the fact that 85% of the games I routinely play are Windummy only. I honestly don't know how good WINE is anymore, but years ago it was sluggish, crashy and didn't work with 75% of Windows apps.

(One of the games I play even had a coder working on a Linux-based client, she (I think it was a girl anwyay) had gotten the client to the point where it would connect to the central server but no farther when it got put to an end by the Korean-based company that has no plans on writing a Mac/Linux client themselves! Grr.)

Anyhow, best wishes when you get your system up and may MOST of your "breaks" be minor! :)

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gaming

by jdclyde In reply to Gaming..

there are many games now that are making a linux version, which is cool.

also, I remember reading garvins blog that he is running games on linux, but I don't recall the package he was using. (wasn't wine)

Will have to get back over there and see what he did.

I am on Win simply because I haven't had the time to just sit down and do it. (between the divorce, fixing the house and getting ready to sell it) Been just a little bit too busy to spend the time to replace what I already have "kind of" working.

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Curiousity...

by noyoki In reply to gaming

Killed the cat. lol. I looked up lmgarvin and in his profile, found this:

"If you want to play Microsoft platform games in Linux then check out Transgaming and see if your game is on the list Transgaming Games db. I'm playing World of Warcraft, Counter Strike: Source, Half-Life 2, Warcraft III, and VtM: Bloodlines in Linux! I refuse to pay for any more MS OSs and I just won't beforced to jump through hoops when those that have illegal copies have a very easy time with updates and maintenence."

http://www.transgaming.com/cedega_faq.php#12
It's $5 a month, however, though I'm not sure you need to subscribe to play. I haven't really looked at it yet.

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Transgaming and $5/month

by jmgarvin In reply to gaming

It is a recuring fee that you only MUST pay once for three months. ($15 ain't bad for any software).

If you choose to update or download, they will simply charge you $5, if you aren't paying for it anymore. A pretty good deal all around.

I recently updated to cedega 5.0.1 and the cedega engine 5.0.3 (so I could still play WoW, the 1.9 patch did some crazy things and some of it is NOT good...Windows and Mac users are having issues out the wazzu (and I had a few, but at least I could FIX them))

Cedega is basically WineX (and wine) that is more specific and better able to deal with the crazy needs of gaming.

Keep in mind the 5.0.3 engine broke Gothic 2, so I had to back up to 4.4.1 (which is no big deal, just a profile setting for each game...which is nice).

If anyone has any questions on Linux gaming, transgaming (cedega), or native linux games I'd be happy to answer.

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Oh!

by noyoki In reply to gaming

Yeah, $15 for initial downloading of the version and $5 for an update if needed is awsome. It sounded like (upon skimming the faq, as I really don't have the time to even PLAY games atm.. lol) you needed to pay $5/month to use the software and the moment you stopped paying, you couldn't use it anymore. (I dunno, thought maybe you had to log in and it 'phoned home' or somethin... M$ makes ppl too suspicious... lol)

Ragnarok & Diablo II on Linux... Here I come!
(among others... lol)

Question, is it easy to switch between Cedega versions? (ie: install them in seperate places and you can choose which to run, or some such? Or do you need to re-install/edit a config file each time you want to switch versions for games...?)

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Answer about Transgaming

by jmgarvin In reply to gaming

"Yeah, $15 for initial downloading of the version and $5 for an update if needed is awsome. It sounded like (upon skimming the faq, as I really don't have the time to even PLAY games atm.. lol) you needed to pay $5/month to use the software and the moment you stopped paying, you couldn't use it anymore. (I dunno, thought maybe you had to log in and it 'phoned home' or somethin... M$ makes ppl too suspicious... lol)"

Na. It isn't that bad. If you expire, you just can't update. If you decide to update, they automatically charge you. Not a bad deal when you think about it. Also it is pretty cool that cedega is a single package now (more or less) and you can just go with the flow.

"Question, is it easy to switch between Cedega versions? (ie: install them in seperate places and you can choose which to run, or some such? Or do you need to re-install/edit a config file each time you want to switch versions for games...?)"

Yes. Each game has their own specific profile where you can set various options, including the cedega version. For instance, CS is running under 4.4.3, while WoW has to run under 5.0.3. Not a big deal...

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Not Really...

by nzamparello In reply to What fun would that be?

I honestly would not reccomend linux for gaming... There really aren't that many games for it and let's face it.... There really aren't very many financial incentives for companies to port games to linux.. Just look at loki software... Some companies such as Id, bioware, and activision have come up with the best linux gaming solution so far... Buy the windows version and then if you run linux they give you a linux client version for free... The only other problem is that there also hasn't been a huge demand for linux gaming.. The ultimate hypocrisy in pc gaming is that blizzard co developed SDL but still will not port ANY of thier software to ANY other platform then win/mac.. That frustrates me the most.. Companies will make mac games which is essentially bsd but won't make some minute code changes to run on linux...

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What?

by Consultant-1 In reply to it might,

So....who isn't running XP now?

Man, that's sorta of like buying a frozen dinner and wondering why these #$%@ folks are wanting me to have a microwave!!!

Get with it, or be ghetto, your choice, but live with your choice!

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