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Why the Constant Arguing

By rkuhn ·
Ok, I have my favorite OS...Windows.

Others have theirs...Linux, MAC, Unix, etc.

Why the constant bickering?

If you don't like my OS, Windows, there are plenty of other choices for you. I don't discount your choice of OS, so why discount my choice?

I've picked my OS that fits my wants and needs the most among other reasons and you've picked yours.

It should stop there. I don't try to "convert" anyone. To each his own.

But the Linux crowd are like a bunch of religious zealots. I'm stupid, uninformed, lazy, dumb, etc if I choose Windows? Why?

If you don't like Windows, don't use it. It's that simple. If you don't like Microsoft, don't buy their products. It's that simple.

But we all have our wants and needs, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. We all make our decisions based on our own situation. Don't prejudge.

What works for me may or may not work for you. That's the beauty one is putting a gun to your head.

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Linux geek trashes Linux distro.

by nighthawk808 In reply to Different side of the sam ...

Oh, wait, that happens all the time. Here's a condensed typical Linux discussion:

"SuSE's better than Debian!
"Oh yeah? Well, Debian's better than RedHat!"
"Screw you. Mandriva sucks."

And on and on.... And the M$ people think we're only hard on them. They haven't even seen the flame war that would follow the line "GNOME sucks! KDE is the One and Only True window manager!"

You're right about Fedora, jmgarvin. I dropped RedHat like a hot potato after the way they handled spinning off Fedora. Their attitude seemed to be something like "We're taking our ball and going home. But since that stupid GPL says we have to keep the source code public, we'll toss you hippies a bone called Fedora. Go away now. Oh, BTW, do you mind if we incorporate all your improvements into RHEL? Too bad--we're going to anyway. You get to be our programmers AND beta testers." Novell handled OpenSuSE much more professionally.

Microsoft isn't the only company Linux users have problems with. How about Mandriva firing Gael Duval? There were a lot of Linux geeks unhappy about that.

So stop acting persecuted, M$ users. We're harder on fellow Linux geeks than we are on you. But, unlike you, we don't take it as a challenge to our manhood just because someone posts something negative about what OS we use. We actually enjoy heated debates and often even go so far as to (gasp!) try the distro that the other person is talking about!

How many M$ users have used Linux? 10%? 20%?
How many Linux users have used Windows? 99.9%?
Perhaps we feel the need to comment on your OS because we've ACTUALLY USED IT. I've used Windows for 15 years and I work in an all-Windows shop right now.

And most of us--myself included--are willing to admit that Linux isn't perfect. I myself have called SuSE a "jumbled, unintuitive clusterfsck", and that's my distro of choice! And, believe it or not, I actually changed my mind and admitted I was wrong about that later on! Have you ever heard of such a thing? Oh, the humanity!

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SuSe sucks! Gentoo forever!!!!

by jmgarvin In reply to Linux geek trashes Linux ...

:-) (ok, I haven't used SuSe for a few years, but it was...uh...very...European ;-) I do like how YaST works though)

Ok, now that I have THAT off my chest...I think the MS camp is so used to yes men, that they can't see past the fact that we aren't bashing, but we are complaining that IT CAN BE DONE BETTER!

Sure, AD has come a long way...sure MS has made Win2k3 more secure, but there is still a LOT to do. Let me also be the 23495739859734 to say:
MICROSOFT YOU NEED TO STOP FRIGGIN' INTEGRATING CRAP INTO YOUR OS! Not only does that add to the insecurity, but it kills the whole concept of modularity.

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**** to Debian! Ubuntu ?ber alles!!!

by Joe McTroll In reply to SuSe sucks! Gentoo forev ...

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it...

Ah! If feels much better now... You 2 guys are right, we Linux advocates tend to be harder on each other... And right, we tend to take a personal look on the other's OS much more so than MacOS or Win guys... but - ****!!! Who said life was fair?
I can only remember last time I was flamed when I expressed my real personal opinion on a news group, something like "Firefox is crap. Opera is nearly perfect, if only it were libre software..."
Or last time I said "In fact, I prefer OpenBSD (or FreeBSD) to Linux, but I have to use it..." Men, THOSE are flamewars!!!

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You should join the CIA.

by nighthawk808 In reply to Hell to Debian! Ubuntu ?b ...

You'd be perfect for those missions where you go into a country and get two sides fighting each other so the US can come in and install the dictator they wanted in the first place. You really know which buttons to push.

I'd have to agree on Opera. I started using it around 1999, and it had features then that Firefox still doesn't have (like sessions, so in case it does crash or you simply want to close it for a while, you can pick right back up where you left off). It's funny that you mention it, though. Just today I started using it again for the first time in a couple of years. I had forgotten how much I liked it. It's still the "fastest browser on Earth" after all these years.

I think one of the reasons we look at our OS more personally is because we can make each OS uniquely ours. Linux is so flexible and customizable that two people are very unlikely to have their box set up the same way. But Windows XP is Windows XP is Windows XP.

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What If?

by rkuhn In reply to Hell to Debian! Ubuntu ?b ...

If IE had sessions you'd call it a security remembers and knows what you were doing.

If Opera does it, it's a convenience feature.

If no two people have the same Linux configuration, boy, that'd work out nicely in a corporate environment now wouldn't it?

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Are you intentionally being stupid?

by nighthawk808 In reply to Hell to Debian! Ubuntu ?b ...

Or are you really this clueless, rickk? Either way, you're not making Windows's case any stronger.

Post edited to insert guilty party's name.

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by noyoki In reply to Hell to Debian! Ubuntu ?b ...

Actually, Firefox has a plugin that can save sessions. This way, you are happy, as well as the other guy saying it was an insecurity. (The latter isn't forced to use it.)

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You can't argue with Linus Torvalds.

by nighthawk808 In reply to SuSe sucks! Gentoo forev ...

Linus Torvalds himself uses SuSE at home, so if you want to argue with the 800-pound gorilla of Linux, you're a lamer and a retard. So there. I showed you! I'm sick and tired of you Gentoo fanatics shoving it down our throats--get a life!

(Just kidding, jmgarvin. You may be a lamer, but you're no retard. :) )

As for Active Directory--isn't that just yet another M$ "extension" of something that existed for years before them (in a better implementation, too), namely Novell's Directory Services? Which itself was based on LDAP which was based on X.500.... (That sounds pretty biblical, doesn't it?)

To Microsoft, "modularity" means that when one module crashes, so do the rest of them. It's one of the reasons you have to reboot a Windows box every freaking time you apply even the tiniest update. There is no reason at all why a patch to Windows Media Player should require a reboot! I updated amaroK last week and it didn't require anything more involved than clicking "Finish".

Replace the word "Gentoo" with the word "Linux" in the fourth sentence of the opening paragraph, and you get the most common argument seen from Windows users. Of course, the spelling and punctuation isn't usually so good, but you get the point.

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I am the l33t lamer! ;-)

by jmgarvin In reply to You can't argue with Linu ...

I'm a retard too...I've comes to terms with that ;-)

Linus is an idiot...uh...wait...hmmmmm...uh...well...hmmm. SuSe still sucks! ;-)

Ya, AD is really just building on Novell Directory Services...Though in Win2k3 they did extend some of what it could do and clean up some of the mess they made with Win2k.

Ya, my dad can beat up your dad is just silly. Typically MS advocates say: MS is just better, but when you try to pin them down on WHAT is better, you get nothing in return.

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by rkuhn In reply to You can't argue with Linu ...

The last time I rebooted a Windows box was setting up a new PC for someone.

I installed 27 new updates and rebooted once.

What was your point?

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