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Will replacing Win98 with Win2K help?

By kush ·
Hello everybody
I really need urgent help on this one. My client has 5 PC networked through a SoHo Basic 10 BaseT hub, with Cat5 cable (about 5m each length). They are using Win98 on all machines, including the 'server' (a PIII 700MHz 128Mb RAM 10 Gig HDD with more than 7 Gig free). They are mainly using Pastel Ver 6 and Excel 2000.

The problem is that when more than one client tries to access the shared Pastel or Excel files on the server the process slows down terribly. When all four areconnected, it becomes real ****.

I had suggested that we replace the Win98 on the 'server' with Win NT 4 or Win2K Server (especially Win2K, since it recognises Fat32). Will this help? I would like to hear your advice before I proceed. Please help.

Simbarashe

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I've had good luck with mwave too...

by admin In reply to Ram...Vendors

www.mwave.com


I was almost going to reply again but didn't have time way above.... RAM is another issue in itself. A stick of 266mHz pc2100 will run circles around the 133 pc133 as far as I can tell by running it, so the 512mb in my w2k servers is a little decieving. It's not just the amount anymore. We went with dual processors too. It's another relatively cheap performance shot as long as you're doing it.

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look here

by rrgilmore_2001 In reply to Will replacing Win98 with ...

you want to know the truth, here it is your users need to pull the data to there workstation and not work on the server.
1 upgrade your windows 98 server to windows 2000 server stay with the per server licence.
2 install 2-3 more hard drives and configure them as a raid drive. this will provide faster access to stored data and provide fault talerance. I would install 3 more and use the 10 gig as a systems partition or volume.
3. GET RID OF THE HUB 10 base t is old they are probley complaining of internet speeds. a linsys router and netgear 10-100 will help
4. you will have to increase you RAM find out the max the board supports. more than liklie it will be 2 slots one gig of RAM. put 1 gig into the box.
This is cheap 90.00 at tiger direct .com but 2 512 chips.

here is your bottom line you need more ram 90.00 software 600.00 this is a high price. this minimum. I would recumend that you spen another 200 for the linsys router and netgear hub. think about 3 hd the same size as raid 240.00

you will need to write a scipt for mutiple users on a single user application. You can find this info on line at microsoft.com or in one of the cycbex book 70-210 or 70-215
Good luck to you.
Rgilmore A+,MCP pro and server

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look here

by rrgilmore_2001 In reply to Will replacing Win98 with ...

you want to know the truth, here it is your users need to pull the data to there workstation and not work on the server.
1 upgrade your windows 98 server to windows 2000 server stay with the per server licence.
2 install 2-3 more hard drives and configure them as a raid drive. this will provide faster access to stored data and provide fault talerance. I would install 3 more and use the 10 gig as a systems partition or volume.
3. GET RID OF THE HUB 10 base t is old they are probley complaining of internet speeds. a linsys router and netgear 10-100 will help
4. you will have to increase you RAM find out the max the board supports. more than liklie it will be 2 slots one gig of RAM. put 1 gig into the box.
This is cheap 90.00 at tiger direct .com but 2 512 chips.

here is your bottom line you need more ram 90.00 software 600.00 this is a high price. this minimum. I would recumend that you spen another 200 for the linsys router and netgear hub. think about 3 hd the same size as raid 240.00

you will need to write a scipt for mutiple users on a single user application. You can find this info on line at microsoft.com or in one of the cycbex book 70-210 or 70-215
Good luck to you.
Rgilmore A+,MCP pro and server

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changes in hardware first

by ajmmon In reply to Will replacing Win98 with ...

Hi I think you should try first to change the hub to an small soho switch 10/100, then change the network cards to 10/100 and switch them to 100 mbits/sec full duplex, if i does not get better, then change to win2k pro in any machine adding firts another 128 mb ram to each of them.

With this I think you will have about 50 to 100% better performance

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by tbragsda In reply to Will replacing Win98 with ...

As I described in my "Another Friday rant" http://www.techrepublic.com/forumdiscuss/thread_detail.jhtml?thread_id=107125 it looks like this question has taken up a number of peoples time and effort. Problem is, I think it may be for nothing, as thequestioner has not posted anything back.

If he is out there "listening" then he should post back, let everyone know what he is doing, or just a bit of thanks. Good advise has been given. If he cant give a little thanks, then... well....

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Ya noticed that 2.

by LordInfidel In reply to
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all done now...

by mrafrohead In reply to Ya noticed that 2.

So, I read everything and have a couple of questions...

I know, they are off topic, but this thread is getting high traffic and it's partially about what the question is...

You talk about server class products... What exactly do you mean?

If I were to go and build myself a server, personally, I WOULD NOT go with any prefab crap that Compaq or dell would try to sell you. I would build it from scratch. As I believe that you know what you are getting as you are the one that is buildingit.

Are you talking about making sure you have high quality hardware and not just the cheap stuff. And it has the extra features like self diagnostics and all that jazz???

I figure if you aren't building a HUGE setup it's alright to stay awayfrom 64bit hardware at this time, since it's not exactly cost effective.

Also, for a small network with five users, wouldn't it be safe to upgrade to a Linksys 10-100 Switch for about a hundred and fifty bucks and not use a Cisco or other???

At home i run two different servers. They run off of computers that i have built. They are definately NOT something I would employ in a business environment as they are missing a few features that I think a business would need, but I have them running on a linksys router/switch setup and I have no problems whatsoever and they get EXTREMELY high traffic.

As a matter of fact, my setup runs better and more smoothly than the setup here at work with all of the expensive crap.

So - basically, I'm trying to turn my ignorance here into knowledge. If anyone has the time, please give me your input. I would appreciate it!!!

Mrafrohead

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Here's what I just ordered tonight...

by admin In reply to all done now...

1 SEAGATE 20GB/40GB HORNET40 EIDE INT TRAVAN W/SERVER SW

1 TYAN S2466N TIGER MPX AMD 760MPX CHIPSET DUAL SOCKET A ATX FORM FACTOR 1xAGP/2xPCI(64BIT)/4xPCI(32BIT)/4xDDR W/ LAN Detail Specs (CPU TYPE:AMD ATHLON MP, XP)

1 ATI XPERT 2000 PRO 16MB AGP 128BIT DVD VIDEO PLAYBACK

4 Microsoft 5-client License for Windows 2000 SERVER

1 LITE ON 16X-DVD/48X-CDROM INTERNAL EIDE #LTD-163

1 SONY 1.44MB FLOPPY DRIVE

2 AMD ATHLON MP 2000+ 1.67GHZ (AMP2000BOX) RETAIL BOX W/COOLING FAN (3YR WARRANTY)

1 Microsoft Windows 2000 Server w/5 user licenses

4 KINGWIN KF-201DF LCD MOBILE RACK 5.25" EIDE ULTRA ATA100/133 ALUMINUM ALLOY INTERNAL REMOVABLE DRIVE KIT

4 WD 100GB 1000JB EIDE ULTRA-ATA/100 7200RPM SE W/8MB BUFFER

3SEAGATE ACCESSORIES 20GB/40GB TRAVAN 40 DATA CARTRIDGE 3-PK

1 18" IDE 2-CONNECTORS ROUND CABLE FOR FLOPPY DRIVE

1 ADAPTEC 1200A 2-CHANNEL ATA/100/66 PCI ATA RAID KIT

1 SUPERMICRO SC760P4 (CSE-044) FULL SERVER TOWER W/300W (PENTIUM 4 READY) ATX POWER SUPPLY

4 512MB PC2100 266MHZ NON-ECC CAS2.5 DDR DIMM

3 18" IDE 3-CONNECTORS ROUND CABLE FOR ULTRA ATA66/100/133 HARD DRIVE



This particular install will have another identical server on the network. It will run several commercial small billing databases, run our accounting program and serve 24 workstations. The servers will be in two seperate buildings that are currently connected so if one burns, the other stays up, mirrored drives, tape back-ups and all. It's a little bigger than 5 ws, but still a small little network at one of our locations. This is my sort of solution, but I would also be interested in what my peers here think for the small network server, will it be adequate? Thanks! :>

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LinkSys

by admin In reply to all done now...

I've had really good luck with LinkSys and will continue to use it for my business.

:)

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Server Class/Different Classses

by LordInfidel In reply to all done now...

There are essentially 3 different classes of computers.

Desktop
Workstation
Server

While each of these classes has their own sub classses, this is the 3 main ones.

Now to focus on a Server Class system. You mentioned Compaq and Dell. While their desktop systems might not be the best, their server systems are pretty good.

A server class system has a lot of design put into it. Not just in the look and the case, but in the hardware subsystem. Most importantly the Motherboard. If you look inside a actual real server class system, and look at the motherboard, you will see a striking difference, night and day, when put against a desktop system.

You can buy server type motherboards and build them yourself. There will be a price difference.

In essence, the OS makes not a server alone.

Also Server Class systems are almost always scsi based systems, always take ecc memory, most of the time are dual procc capabale (I do not consider anything running a celeron a server, don't care who makes it). Most have dual power supplies (hopefully redundant/hot swappable).

While I have never been a fan of compaq desktops, their server line kicks ***. As so does dell's server and workstation line.

The best exch server I ever built was on a Proliant ML570. This is a huge bad boy of a server with 12 drive bays with 2 controllers. Perfect for setting up exch with the way it was meant to be set up. It also weighs 200lbs, has 3 redundant 350w power supplies and sounds like a jet when it starts up; but it rocks.

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