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Windows Vs. Novell - Who is better? Why?

By Bratt ·
Alright it's getting to be about that time where we are re-evaluating our server software and getting ready to upgrade or change what we are using. Currently we have Novell 4.11 and it's been rock solid, but (don't get mad Oz) I need to look at what is right for the company as far as integrating other software and ERP applications, the users, and TCO figures. Opinions anyone? Why Windows or why not, why Novell or why not? No this is not for a college paper this is for my research I was asked to do for work. I need to hear from others with hands on experience what their opinions are and why they think what they do.

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OZ & MCSE's

by dafe2 In reply to Actually I was answering ...

Well I guess your right again............that I'd call the in-house MSCE's incompetent at the worst or closed minded to be generous.

No (true) MCSE would shoot down or refuse to look at a possible Novell/MS implementation.

Even a 'paper' MCSE should realize Novell & UNIX integration is heavily covered in 70-216.

It's covered for a reason ---> It works when implemented properly.

In any event Novell & UNIX stacks are implemented in both Workstation & Server. There are some 'gotchas' but it works well.

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It's not a matter of being right or wonrg really

by Oz_Media In reply to Actually I was answering ...

Just tat obviously we DO agree and after many posts find we agre eat the same level, for the most part.

I find what happens here is that personal passion often clouds the meaning of the post and it simply takes a few more (or many more ) posts to realize we aren't all really arguing, just not comparing apples and apples to begin with.

It's hard to make your intent clear without tone or inflection involved. The person reading may feel you are frowning and typing fiercely when you are smiling and happily clicking away.

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True but...

by Oz_Media In reply to not to mention

Ms teams are usually larer than in Novell shops.

Where many SMALL MS teams involve at least 5 people, the same Netware team can consist of ONE.

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It's hard to tell

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to not to mention

whether they earn money or print it.

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Not an "either/or" situation.

by dstjulien In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

"Better" for what? Desktops, servers, security, TCO, ERP?
This is a complex question and SHOULD test your professionalism. You need to decide based on the requirements, needs, and desires of your organization. NO solution should be removed from the table. "Either/or" is a win-lose position, you need to look for the win-win solution. THAT has never been easy. That is where your professionalism shoud enter.
I will tell you that I have been a proponet of Novell for many years. The biggest reason for my continued support is because Novell's philosophy has been oriented to assisting business efficiency through integration rather than segregation. You may want to visit Novell's site to get a better understanding of the Novell "one Net" philosophy. (http://www.novell.com/offices/americas/canada/egov/whatis.html and http://www.novell.com/solutions/ ) In a nutshell, it means that whatever your business requires, Novell can provide the tools and expertise to integrate it all into a usable heterogenous solution.
With the integration of traditional Netware services and SuSE Linux called the Open Enterprise Server you get an incredibly stable, proven server platform and set of network tools that allows you to use and integrate whatever is necessary to run your business. ( http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/index.html?sourceidint=productscatmenu_oes ) Notice, I did not say that it was "point-click" or easy. What I am saying is, they provide you, as an IT professional, the tools, philosophy and support needed to "build" whatever kind or size of computer services you need for your business to operate securely and efficiently.
If your business doesn't require M$ Windows, I strongly suggest the SuSE desktop. It can be tailored to look, feel, and function very simlar to M$ Windows and provides much more stability and security.
Just because you choose Novell, doesn't mean you exclude M$. The same is not true if you choose M$. Why not make "best-of-breed" decisions that can be totally integrated rather than limiting your choices to the best of what is available for a closed OS?
Its your business. Apply your professional due diligence and make your decisions accordingly.

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Why not both and/or linux..

by TomSal In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

Sorry if I've over-simplified the issue but "shooting from the hip" I don't see the big dilemma on this one at all.

Novell is a true NOS. Because of this it is very good at what it does -- managing and being the network (operating system).

You can still use Novell as your network and run Windows (or if you prefer...Linux) on your desktops.

Novell has better network performance and reliability than MS but MS has the support for nearly every app on the planet -- so its not far fetched in my estimation as to why its not logical to use both.

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I have and it works like a charm

by Oz_Media In reply to Why not both and/or linux ...

You're right, MS desktops with a Novell server is slick as can be, and stable.

I have worked with VERY large corps that use Novell in the server room and nothing but Doze on desktops.

NOTE: Without any exaggeration, the guys in the server room didn't touch the desktops and vice versa, the guys in the server room played poker all day, the others worked with pain in the *** Doze issue all day.

Doze does provide job security, you will always be needed to fix it.

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Your right...EXCEPT

by dafe2 In reply to Why not both and/or linux ...

Depending on the ERP solution, they may not have a client for Linux (On the desktop).

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You really lit a fire under Oz. . .

by Bratt In reply to Your right...EXCEPT

See why I like Oz? He's very passionate about what he believes in and fights tooth and nail for it and doesn't buckle for nobody. I answered your post if you look back through.

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Absolutely.........I like him for the same reason

by dafe2 In reply to You really lit a fire und ...

Our opinions may differ but he never speaks when he doesn't know & neither do I.

He just chose the wrong OS & won't shut up about it :-)

Yes I just saw your answer...(Sorry);


Actually, as far as your network & great plains I think you'll see a major improvement in performance & reliability with SBS 2003 but Great Plains will run fine on WIN2K too. XP on your desktops will only add expense...if you can stay with WIN2K. You could use something like Terminal Services and offer your Dial Up users more than just there network drives too or even use Sharepoint Services if you go the SBS route.

Would upgrading one of you 2k servers make sense?

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