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World and dog to be IT pros

By waity85 ·
Apologises in advance if this has been asked before, or just that no-one is interested, but this is my first post so here goes...

Why is it that every man and his dog believe that because they have a PC in their house that they have what it takes to be an IT professional?

For example a client is currently setting up a new environment and is constantly asking advice, and then ignoring it.

The latest trick is that because he has a server configured to do X, he can build another server that also does X. Even though he paid someone else to build the server and doesn't seem to have a clue how it actually works.

So on this logic I need to ask:
Does owning a chemistry set mean I can work for a pharmaceutical company?

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don't get me started

by Shellbot In reply to "But my nephew...."

OMG..if hear my:

one more sh@gging time...last week i slipped up and said stuff in a meeting which could have been disasterous for me, but kind of worked out in the end..*wipes brow..whew*
"Well, my nephew works in IT, he does this, and he's and expert, and he gets paid this much per day, so i think we should get him do the review and he can make all the recamendations, we might even be able to get him to do some of the work for a reduced rate"
(this was gettng to be a tedious meeting, me being the only "tech" there, so over an hour listening to "well,can't the computer <insert any verb>")
my response:
"well, if you had paid a professional project manager or consultant some good money for a couple days work, instead of hiring your nephew to come up with a few requirement "ideas" to give to the development company, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now and that 2 grand spent then would have saved us about 40 grand now, PLUS all the hard work trying to fix it along the way"

a silence previous manager not happy, as it was her nephew.. BUT everyone else agreed and said that using family was not the way to go as it had not initially worked anyways. Then the most senior person there thanked me for speaking up about it..*phew* i could have made things very rough for myself..i'm sure i'll get a bit of flack later..but whatever :)

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Gained an ally

by jdclyde In reply to don't get me started

made an enemy.

CYA and good luck! Never a good position to be in, and doing your job well NOW did mean you had to step on his toes, but he had it coming from the sounds of it.

I have learned to try to keep a low profile when it comes to other peoples work when possible. That didn't sound possible. ;\

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would never intentionally

by Shellbot In reply to Gained an ally

do what i just came out..this manager was head of a "committee" that spearheaded the database & application development..not one tech in that group might i add. that was 2 years ago..she has cost the company a lot of money / manhours and has been given a "promotion" to another office...that meant she had not time to deal with the database and has had to back away from the majority of dealings with it..
so its all cool..i only have to see her once a month and she seems to have gotten over it already (she has short was great when i didn't get work done..she forgot she even asked me to do it)

but ya..not a smart thing on my part, have to learn how to control myself :)

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Need to Get someone off a project???

by osumiller In reply to would never intentionally

Promote them....
This is done all the time in large organizations. If someone is doing damage in their current place and role, promote them out so that they can't deal with it anymore.

I never have really understood this from a business standpoint, but I really like it when I am working for/with the person who is messing up. At least it gets them out of the way.

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Shell, I'm guessing that you don't need to disguise the word shagging

by DMambo In reply to don't get me started

Now maybe I'm wrong and the TR censors will disable my account for posting that in the title, but I'd bet that "shagging" will fly right by their filters.

Regarding the nephews, any manager who recommends family for outside work should be ashamed. The conflict is just too great.

shagging, SHAGGING, shagging....see, they're all there!

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by Shellbot In reply to Shell, I'm guessing that ...

i have to disguise it on this side of the world so just a habit now...won't go through our email filters :)

well..lets just say the manager in question is not regarded as highly as others..

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Hiring family

by jdclyde In reply to Shell, I'm guessing that ...

It all depends.

I work for a family owned business, and it can work out very well.

The problem isn't using family, it is failing to hold family to the same standards as anyone else.

I have seen two family members let go in the last five years because they just weren't working out, and one was in IT for a while. Talk about no eye for detail or pride in your work! Glad to see that one gone!

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But, in an independent co.

by DMambo In reply to Hiring family

It's called nepotism, and it's caused a lot of problems for politicians and managers, as it should.

Family-owned is one thing, the rest of the world is quite another. It never looks good to the rank and file.

But in the case you described, it's good that the boss had the cojones to make the call. Impossible to do without pissing off some family members.

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Working with Family

by waity85 In reply to But, in an independent co ...

In theory working with family should work, I think. Providing everyone can keep it purely professional. (Not sure that is actually do-able though...)

But at the same time I have seen many, many, MANY arguements between family as a fault out at work.

If you have an 'heated discussion' with someone at work you can just leave them to it and cool off. What can you do when its your nephew, brother, father, wife?

Theres got to be a reason someone coined the phrase:
"Never do business with family"

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Nepotism and companies

by jdclyde In reply to But, in an independent co ...

Many companies have a policy that even forbids you working in the same department as a family member. If you marry someone, one of you has to leave or transfer. This is assuming you are ALLOWED to date inner office in the first place.

I would not like corporate IT nearly as much as I do the family business. I know the top owner on a first name basis and have been to his place working on his systems as I am the one he trusts to do the work. More than once he has given me a key and had me get things working while he was off and running.

Trust is a good thing. All on the company dime, because he works from his home office half the time. (bad leg/hip so he doesn't get around well anymore) but is still very active in the company.

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