XP to Mandriva

By kali_mst ·
I want to switch.
After weeks of reviewing the tons of good information on this site, Im ready to try out Mandriva, but how should I go about adding this Mandriva os to my new work HP Vista w/3g comp?
Should I buy a new tower erase the os? could I just add a partition to my working Vista system adding a dual boot to mandriva? any info one can pass on please!

I have had only 2 issues with Vista (driver updates that caused my dual screens to be inop), I actually love Vista it has helped me intigrate alot of the office apps into my network. I would still not purchase Vista for my Network, i dont have time to train beginners and reinstall drivers.

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Start with a Mandriva Live CD

by robo_dev In reply to XP to Mandriva

That's the most painless dual-boot scenario I've seen.

I hate to be negative, but my opinion is that using boot managers, multiple partitions and so forth just leads to trouble.

On my PCs that runs XP and Linux, I have a separate and distinct hard drive for the two different operating systems.

In Bios, if I want Windows, enable disk 1...if I'm in the mood for Linux, enable disk2.

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seperate hdd's for separate sons

by roy.evison In reply to Start with a Mandriva Liv ...

You could put your xp (cough slutter) on VirtualBox on the same linux hardrive.


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robo_dev probably covered it.. start with the LiveCD

by Neon Samurai In reply to XP to Mandriva

Mandriva is a great distribution to start with. The draketools are a big help.

As mentioned, start with the Mandriva One 2008.1 LiveCD or the One 2008.0 LiveCD if you prefer the, now more stable, previous version.

If you are ready to install on the hard drive and your work allows you to muck with work issues machines then consider a dual boot off a floppy disk.

I use a floppy disk, the Mandrive Free 2008.1 install DVD and a single physical computer.

- use your prefered Windows partition program like Partition Magic to shrink the size of your existing partitions. Leave the free space without a partition.

- reboot and insure your Windows boot still works as it should; no drive letters should change.

- boot from the Mandriva install CD. When it asks about using drive space, select Custom then you can use the "Auto Allocate" button to set a "/", "swap" and "/home" partition. You can play around to find the sizes of partitions you like; probably big /, default swap and remaining space in /home.

- when asked about the boot loader (after packages are copied to the new partitions), specify floppy drive /dev/fd0. It should write some stuff to your disk.

- Don't download updates until after your first boot when you can go into the system settings and configur your network repositories with the package sources tool.

- Change your bios to boot from floppy disk first then other media.

You should end up with a system that boots from floppy and presents you a Windows or Mandriva boot menu. If you pop the disk out, you should get a strait forward boot into Windows from it's already existing boot loader on the hard drive.

Of course, the middle road would be to use the LiveCD for your first install when ready to muck with your hard drives. You'll still need to create empty space and be aware when going through the file system creation steps but it should be well documented.

- Ask lots of questions
- Expect to do the same function but with a different program (The Gimp = Photoshop functions)
- Expect to get frustraited a few times
- Learn to love internet search like google
- Stick to the repositories for your distribution (Red Hat repositories do not work well with Mandriva)

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by kali_mst In reply to robo_dev probably covered ...

Thanks so much I will try the seperate drive, Im not to savy on the partion & dual boot yet.. I will share my findings & experience. Cheers!

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consider drive caddies also

by Neon Samurai In reply to Mandriva

One of my early solutions was to put the primary hard drive in a removable caddy box. I had one primary drive and box for each OS and would simply slide in the OS I wanted. It kept them all safe and seporate.

The suggested two seporate drives in one machine is a good idea too. You still end up with a dual boot system but each OS is seporate on it's own platter.

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Mandriva-Linux Live CD Experience..Newbie!

by kali_mst In reply to robo_dev probably covered ...

My first download livecd on a 7yr old pc Intell p4 1.5 chip c ati, 180g hd 750mem 5200rpm, This system i put together for the Linux and it just would not run properly, I would get to the mandriva screen install from cd then it would freeze up, that was running from cd.

My second download of Linux-one-live-dvd-kdb, AMD 64extreme 3.0 dual core, upgraded mb, dual nividia sli cards, 1960x1600 hd/ws monitor, 180g 5400rmp hd, sblaster pro, xpro..

If it was not for the included partition manager in Mandriva I would have had problems, it helped me understand partion management, seperating my xp system. I gave me enough chocies and was p&p friendly, it was at 80g so I shrunk it to 40g and split the partition installing Linux-one on the empty partition, (i now see the boot option on start-up, sweet!) and made my install on my hd smooth.
The sound, the look, the feel of Mandriva was an experience that left me in awe. I will never forget, i love it!

My initall install on the old system was a nightmare, this install on Live-dvd-i586kdb went without errors, I easily found the start menu and started installing the 25 patches Im guessing for security reasons, started finding additional apps to install for the upgrade to Mandriva Spring i586-dvd.

Not for the beginner but a much smoother install from the redhat days. I now understand Linux more, Linux is my favored os now.
I easily found drivers/apps for running additional software like (kaffeine, i have problems playing dvd movies with this app i get errors alot it wont play movies), Kaffeiene also has a sound break when playing any dvd/cd/mp3-4,) MoviePlayer same issues! sometimes movieplayer plays without a hitch.

Wireless card, this is an issue, Linux cant seem to find my windows driver for wg54 pcmia card. Im researching this.

Thanks for the help and suggestions, I am sold on Linux. Windows at work linux at home!

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I still fake a Mandriva install just for it's partition manager

by Neon Samurai In reply to Mandriva-Linux Live CD Ex ...

I have GParted on various liveCD but I still prefer to pop in my handy Mandriva install and use the disk manager custom partitioning too cut up the platters. Once it writes the partitions to disk, you just hit the power and pop in whatever OS install you actually want. I even use it to prep the drive for Backtrack and Debian installs. I've found the "auto partition" well done in recent versions. I do like the drake tools.

You might try the Mandriva 2008.0 One liveCD, another distro liveCD or the Mandriva Free install disks. It may be some oddity in Mandriva that does not like your older hardware or it may just be 2008.1 giving you recent release grief.

For DVD, I'm a fan of VLC. Pop in the disk, open VLC, (File -> Open Disk), choose the option too open without menus if the option to the left most does not play. I've had a disk or two that would not play but if it does play, there have been no further issues.

It seems the 54g issue is still there. (Welcome to the world of Patents and other BS being more important than what benefits the end user.) I've an older notebook with a 54GS pcmcia that I've not tested since being issued a Lenovo T60. The T60; all hardware recognized and working excpet suspend to disk.

With my Linksys 54gs pcmcia, I had to use ndiswrapper. You'll want the driver file (whatever the .ini or .sys for the NIC is, check under hardware properties). Copy it too a handy disk. In the Mandriva network wizard use "use Windows driver" or "setup Ndiswrapper". It's been a while so I can't remember what the ndiswrapper specific option is but I know there is a "use Windows driver" which results in the same thing. I pointed the browse box at the windows .sys driver file, Mandriva did some quick stuff and the NIC worked.

- track down the correct .sys and have it available by diskette, flashdrive or patition
- try the Mandriva network wizard with "use Windows driver" as a first research try
- read on how to setup wifi through ndiswrapper (it's cli work so judge your own readiness) - if the Mandriva wizard worked, this will be for knowledge sake
- read on how to setup the WPA suppliment library which may be required - if the Mandriva wizard worked, this will be for knowledge sake

The cause of your grief is Broadcom. Linksys favours the broadcom wifi chips which are known to have no nonWindows drivers or details available so drivers can be written properly. Things are changing slowly but Broadcom is still a big red flag.

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Snoop packet sniffer & Nvidia sli

by kali_mst In reply to I still fake a Mandriva i ...

Love it, Love it, Love it.
Thanks people for the wonderful input. good by xp, full install Mandriva.

I was having issues with the screen refreshing very choppy running a slideshow wallpaper, It caused the screen icons to flicker badly, so i figured i would try to have mandriva use the seperate drivers for the dual nvidia 7200go cards, (i switch from the default drivers to the other choice, cant remember the name but i think it was x10 drivers, anyways after that the screen drivers didnt work and so after nvidias bootup wallpaper i got a white screen. so i was locked out and didnt know commands for changing driver so i reinstalled full live cd.

That software packet sniffer snort or snoop, i installed that then all **** broke loose, It would auto runn at boot, never showed an install and i could not locate the installed software or shut it down, It showed Failed error on shut down or boot up.

Mandriva wont find my audio jacks either so Im relying on the headphone jack for external speakers, anyone know a fix for this. soundblaster audigy. Thanks..Im hooked.

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a few more ideas

by Neon Samurai In reply to Snoop packet sniffer & Nv ...

I'm using the default "do you wish to use the proprietary X driver" for nVidia but the 8800 GPU probably compensates for any lag in the driver in my case. Drivers for any OS can be flakey though so check them out. I'd recommend keeping a copy of your X config file.

/usr/X11/X.conf? (I can confirm when I'm infront of my machine).

When I was mucking with ATI X drivers, I kept a backup of the initial working X config file then just copied it back over the original file if a driver change broke X beyond starting up.

No the benefit/challenge is that distributions come with a huge selection of software. Snort, may be a bit industrial for your needs. It's a great intrusion detection program but it's not known for being easy to setup; there's a reason business info security people set this stuff up.

If your just looking to grab network packets (for confirming your network config setups of course), take a look at Wireshark or the "Monitoring" software category in your rpmdrake (er, drakerpm?.. one of those) and you should find five or six sniffers of various levels.

If you are of the IDS caliber of computer user then I'd recommend installing VMware Server 2 (grab the beta, it's good enough for home use and getting better). Any time I want to check out a different distribution or some bit of software, I just through it on a VM and have a look. There's no install/uninstall effects on my physical machine. I also get to try five or six different offerings and choose what program works best for me before adding it too my regular install.

That last bit is a Windows habbit developed after breaking too many installs with install/uninstall for a quick look at some new program in passing.

As for not finding where snort got installed. It depends on the type of program. You could find it under /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin or more likely /etc/init.d/snortd since it runs as a deamon (Service in the windows world).

Most likely, you'll have another look at it in a month, realize what tripped you up and be stunned that it was so obvious once you figured it out.

I just upgraded from an Audigy2. Confirm that you have alsamixer or alsamixergui installed. The second is X, the first is cli. I've always had to un-mute the master volume with the Audigy2. My new audio was included on the mobo but it's 7.1 and supported so I had no reason continue the Audigy2 use.

If it's that your getting sound out of your front speaker port but not side or back speaker ports then look for how to enable Audigy 5.1 or a similar fix. "Mandriva Creative Audigy no sound linux" may work for a search. When Mandriva setup my sound support, it asked if I wanted to enable 5.1 speakers but that may be something at the driver level asking not Mandriva hardrake.

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I would build a separate system so that you test out any flavour of Linux.

Without disturbing your setup with Vista, then if Either goes down it does not take the other down with it, i will always keep then on/in separate cases. Put it this way, if one goes down and you do not know why, you can use the other one that is still running to ask your questions on. :)

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.

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