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I'm one of those fool exiles which lives in the Phoenix metro area -- and we counter with one of the world's biggest (if not the biggest) NUCLEAR plants in OUR backyard.

Anyone who's just driven through this blasted desert wasteland knows there's a lot more opportunity for Ol' Sol to make juice here than just about anywhere else on Earth.

Yet, our local power authorities, in their infinite wisdom, have only put up a few odd "boutique" solar projects; interminably testing for "feasibility".

Does anybody out there see a problem with this?

It reminds one of the domestic industry which has grown up around "finding a cure" for cancer, whilst ignoring (and continually adding to) the flood of carcinogens which comprise "meat and drink" for us on a daily basis...

Food for thought --

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RE:How many acres of rooftops already exist

Most of those roofs won't support the additional weight of a Solar Panel Array. Additionally, electricity storage for the home owner requires a large array of batteries, and these are inefficient, and potentially a significant environmental hazard.

SCE owns a percentage of the facility and gets a percentage of the output as a result, I believe that percentage is less than 30%, but you could probably find out by researching it.

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solar in phx

by mindilator In reply to You know . . .

i too live in the phoenix area, though luckily not for too much longer. i have always wondered about the solar energy situation here. forget all the arguments about panels being expensive or regulation this and that. those are just excuses. when mankind wants to get something done, we do it. we didn't let millions of miles, millions of dollars, and a cold vacuum keep us from landing on the moon. when we really want something, obstacles will be damned. the phoenix area is one of the best places to cultivate solar energy, above all because the batteries used to store it will remain replenished much more so than say areas like san francisco, seattle, new york or london. these areas known for their fog, smog, clouds, would need more attention in energy storage. but phoenix? cmon it's like 100 degrees and i'm rejoicing about how cool it is outside. only 100 degrees? that's it? my entire house could be powered by the sun year round. and for $300 i can build a solar energy system that will power one of my bedrooms. people who say it is too expensive don't know what they're talking about. on top of that, between government grants toward converting to solar/renewable energy sources and the fact that panel prices will fall when more people start buying them, there really is no excuse. and that's all it is, excuses. i don't give a damn if the biggest excuse is the money. energy companies are not entitled to their profits. they have to earn them. an educated populace does not want fossil energy.
and why assume the consumer has to pay for their own panels? i see no reason why APS can't just put a ton of them together on an open plot of land in the nearby desert. oh that's right, profits (greed). pity they care more about making money now than making a better arizona tomorrow. the whole thing is retarded. no energy corporation is going to convert to clean natural energy sources until the fossil fuel and coal sources have all been thoroughly raped from the earth and the resulting pollution has begun to cramp our luxurious lifestyles.

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Solar power

by Afreden In reply to You know . . .

I work for an electric utility - in fact, we have the largest-producing photovoltaic solar array in the states. When talking about solar power as a "magic cure" to our energy problems, I don't think you've looked at the entire picture. Keep in mind that the coating on the panels have to be replaced constantly, the (extremely expensive) panels themselves have a limited lifespane and have to be replaced regularly. The materials that the panels are made from are competing in the marketplace for other unrelated technologies, thus driving up the cost of the panels, too. On top of all that, the efficiency that a solar panel delivers is miniscule. In order to power the city of Phoenix, it would so much money just in the vast amount of real-estate to place that many panels, and in the panels themselves, and in the batteries (which also have a limited lifespan) to store that electricity for evening (and other times when the sun would not be available), the utility bills would be exponentially greater than what they are now.

Compare that with nuclear power... The power plant you're refering to (the "Palo Verde" Nuclear Generating Station - approximately 45 miles West of Phoenix), was designed decades ago.

I'm not prmoting nuclear power, as I feel there are some hurdles that still need to be resolved (long-term storage of waste is the biggest), but I'm informed enough to know that solar power is not currently the way to go to replace a power infrastructure just because there's a lot of sun. Wind turbines are a lot more efficient in windy areas than solar is in sunny areas.

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