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October 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm #2170407
You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
Lockedby ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
That’s a sign that something’s really amiss with Mitt.
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October 20, 2012 at 10:09 pm #2433263
Not everyone in Slat Lake is a Mormon, and even some Mormons are more
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
in love with their party than other church members. Religion is NOT enough to vote for someone if that’s the only factor you’re using. yet many feel the party they stand for is sufficient by itself.
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October 22, 2012 at 9:12 am #2433231
Pseudoliberal media
by john.a.wills · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
is probably all we need to explain this. Just reading the article through suggests imbalance in the author. Of course, there are many things seriously amiss with Romney, but there are even more important things amiss with Obama. If one tries to measure the many and the important with the same metric one is ultimately left with mere gut feelings. I suggested in another thread how one should proceed, so I will not repeat the description of my metric here.
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October 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm #2433215
Nobody has ever been able to explain to me how…
by ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Pseudoliberal media
just how the mainstream, centrist, pro-status-quo media of the US, with all its economic incentives clearly pulling it towards centrist defense of the status quo… just how that media could possibly be liberal.
I’ve heard it repeated many times, of course. But no explanation has ever been given to me on how it could possibly be true.
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October 24, 2012 at 1:27 pm #2434581
That’s because widespread “liberal media” is a myth
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Nobody has ever been able to explain to me how…
The term “liberal media” is Orwellian newspeak for those news agencies who are not in lock-step agreement with conservatives. They are the fact checkers.
Remember the Romney aide who said, “We are not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”?
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October 24, 2012 at 4:34 pm #2434575
yeah right, like the liberal actors who went on the air during Vietnam
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to That’s because widespread “liberal media” is a myth
checked their facts about North Vietnamese behaviours and activities!!
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October 25, 2012 at 6:06 am #2434544
There should be a difference between actors and reporters
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to yeah right, like the liberal actors who went on the air during Vietnam
but I am starting to have my doubts.
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October 25, 2012 at 6:41 am #2434536
but then again
by ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to There should be a difference between actors and reporters
there should be a difference between those two groups and politicians too…
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October 22, 2012 at 12:38 pm #2433221
Most people here in Massachusetts do not support Mitt either.
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
In 2006, while governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney spent 212 days outside of the state.
If he becomes president, I wonder which country he will be spending most of his time in?-
October 23, 2012 at 12:21 am #2433198
Nice point, but you can be sure he WON’T be spending the time
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Most people here in Massachusetts do not support Mitt either.
bowing to some Moslem King.
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October 24, 2012 at 1:18 pm #2434583
No, but I can be pretty sure that he has magic underwear. (nt)
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Nice point, but you can be sure he WON’T be spending the time
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October 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm #2434574
Oooh, soudns like JJ goes commando. Study why they wear it, it’s
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to No, but I can be pretty sure that he has magic underwear. (nt)
no more than why a married person wears a wedding ring or anyone wears a uniform of some sort – a special reminder, but it’s as underwear so it lasts longer.
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October 25, 2012 at 6:08 am #2434543
huh?
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Oooh, soudns like JJ goes commando. Study why they wear it, it’s
So you think underwear lasts longer than a wedding ring? That’s disgusting. 😉
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October 25, 2012 at 6:37 am #2434539
Only if your last name is ‘Kardashian’. No text.
by charliespencer · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to huh?
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October 25, 2012 at 8:45 am #2434526
or Obama senior -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Only if your last name is ‘Kardashian’. No text.
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October 25, 2012 at 8:45 am #2434527
lasts longer than the uniform that wears out quick mentioned just prior
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to huh?
to the lasting comment.
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October 25, 2012 at 3:55 pm #2434483
That is poor sentence structure. (nt)
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to lasts longer than the uniform that wears out quick mentioned just prior
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October 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm #2434479
hey JJ, i wrote it late at night after a long day, so sue me -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to lasts longer than the uniform that wears out quick mentioned just prior
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October 28, 2012 at 7:11 am #2434339
No need to sue
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to lasts longer than the uniform that wears out quick mentioned just prior
but I hope you can understand my confusion.
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October 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm #2433220
Huh?
by charliespencer · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
You assume people automatically support a candidate because they have a religion in common.
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October 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm #2433216
The article doesn’t focus on religion…
by ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Huh?
Mittens is well-liked in that area for saving the Olympics, among other things…
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October 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm #2433214
Not everyone in Salt Lake City likes him
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to The article doesn’t focus on religion…
I have been to Salt Lake City many times. Believe me, not everyone there likes what he did to “fix” the Olympics.
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October 23, 2012 at 6:12 am #2433194
And not….
by jp85257 · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…
every person in Kenya is supporting Obama. What’s your point?
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October 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm #2434582
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October 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm #2434573
But it appears they can be one -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to The point is
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October 25, 2012 at 6:09 am #2434542
Wow. Not you too? (nt)
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to But it appears they can be one -nt
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October 25, 2012 at 8:46 am #2434525
His father was Kenyan, so he is by derivation -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Wow. Not you too? (nt)
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October 25, 2012 at 1:37 pm #2434493
You’re referring to ethnicity, not nationality, right? No text.
by charliespencer · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to His father was Kenyan, so he is by derivation -nt
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October 25, 2012 at 5:04 am #2434547
If..
by jp85257 · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to The point is
they’re Democrats they can. Heck, they can even vote for Obama after they’ve died.
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October 25, 2012 at 6:13 am #2434541
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October 25, 2012 at 8:46 am #2434524
why not, many US politicians freely admit the graveyard votes well -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I hope you really don’t believe that. (nt)
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October 25, 2012 at 9:19 am #2434518
Maybe that’s why Texas
by john.a.wills · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to why not, many US politicians freely admit the graveyard votes well -nt
is refusing to let OSCE monitors inspect its election process. I read about this yesterday in a news wire report attached to yahoo.nl, but it doesn’t seem to be in today’s SF Chronicle, despite the chance of mocking Texan quasiconservatives as the chauvinists or cheaters they surely are.
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October 25, 2012 at 11:50 am #2434508
Hey, the Democrats in Texas have a history of turning out more votes in
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Maybe that’s why Texas
some counties in some elections than there are registered voters in the county. Makes you wonder which counties the Republicans do that in or do they just take mroe care to hide it.
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October 26, 2012 at 11:44 am #2434437
You just have to …
by jp85257 · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I hope you really don’t believe that. (nt)
research the Governor’s race for Washington state in 2004 or the Al Franken election to know what they’re capable of doing. It happens a lot more than people are willing to admit.
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October 25, 2012 at 6:39 am #2434538
Even Lyin’ Ryan doesn’t believe in that!
by ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to If..
hahaha
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October 25, 2012 at 6:41 am #2434537
Proof, please.
by charliespencer · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to If..
After all the time wasted in SC with a voter ID bill, and the money wasted defending it in multiple courts, there are still no documented cases of voter fraud in the state since Reconstruction, and far more cases of legal voters being denied access to the polls. What a waste ‘protecting’ us from something that has occurred less frequently than shark attacks at Myrtle Beach or earthquakes in Charleston.
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October 25, 2012 at 11:49 am #2434509
I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Proof, please.
presidential election where a report found that most of the graveyards around Chicago voted Democrat for Kennedy. In a couple of counties in Texas the number of votes counted equalled one and a half times that of the number of registered voters – neat trick.
One part of the research showed a small 3 bedroom house in Chicago appeared to have 56 voters registered to it – talk abut cramped quarters.
It was interesting reading about the things that went on. Kennedy was once quoted as saying that in one Senatorial election he won as his people got around to more graveyards than his opponent – it was an accepted practice to vote the graveyard then, and would appear it still is.
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October 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm #2434491
50 years ago.
by charliespencer · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960
And my SC state tax dollars aren’t being wasted in IL, TX, or MA.
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October 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm #2434478
latest evidence is that it still happens, just not so blatant -nt
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to 50 years ago.
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October 26, 2012 at 12:24 pm #2434435
latest evidence?
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to 50 years ago.
Deadly Ernest,
Please cite your sources of confirmed cases of voter fraud.
Then compare your figure to the over 130 million people who voted in the 2008 presidential election.
Absentee ballot voting by using the names of dead people still on the reigstration rolls is more significant than voter impersonation at the polls yet we hear very little discussion from either major party about that.
If the government wants to spend money to reduce voter fraud, they should hold up a mirror to themselves and say, “Gee, we should clean up our registration list from readily available information (death records)on a more frequent basis.” -
October 26, 2012 at 3:05 pm #2434429
JJ the problem is getting enough evidence to be safe from legal action
by deadly ernest · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to 50 years ago.
however, here’s something more recent than the 1960s, as asked, of
votes being made by the deceased on 1993 –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Stinsonunstated voting fraud in 1996 with David Thibodaux – Chris John
Media reports on elections as recent as the US 2008 election have claims of the recently deceased voting from the graveyard via an absentee or postal vote. Also Caging of votes is increasing as well, according to some reports.
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October 28, 2012 at 7:09 am #2434340
RE: “safe from legal action”
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960
So Wikipedia is your best source?
Did you know that most universities do not allow students to cite Wikipedia? I am sure you know why.
Please find a reputable source and then report back. I will be happy to read it.
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October 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm #2434434
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October 27, 2012 at 11:39 am #2434395
Please explain….
by jp85257 · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to To think that this problem is unique to either party is truly naive. (nt)
You start off by saying “I hope you don’t really believe that” and end up saying “to think that this problem is unique to either party is truly naive”.
So, you don’t believe it’s happening but, if it is, both sides are doing it??
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October 28, 2012 at 6:59 am #2434341
I apologize
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to Please explain….
for not making myself clear. When I said, “I hope you don’t really believe that”, I was responding to your post “they’re Democrats they can. Heck, they can even vote for Obama after they’ve died.”
You are implying that [I]only Democrats[/I] commit voter fraud. If you really believe that then you are lost. Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck would be proud of you.
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October 28, 2012 at 11:21 am #2434328
Voter fraud is an imaginary problem
by ansugisalas · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I apologize
electoral fraud on the other hand is where republicans really shine.
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October 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm #2434323
The Republicans have voter fraud all wrong
by jjfitz · about 11 years, 5 months ago
In reply to I apologize
Republicans have been fighting in various states to institute voter ID legislation for some time now.
Voter ID’s will only solve a tiny problem of people impersonating other voters. (voting on behalf of someone else)
In the last presidential election, there were less than 100 recorded cases of voter fraud at the polls and even fewer convictions.
That is a very small percentage considering that more than 130 million votes were cast. 0.0000077%. So, in my opinion, a voter id law is a solution looking for a problem.
Absentee ballot fraud (dead people voting) may or may not be a problem but it can be solved with more frequent checks of the register. Compare the register to death records more frequently. It’s a simple solution to a [I]possible[/I] problem with no burden on the voter. -
October 29, 2012 at 6:06 am #2434303
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