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“YouTube Ordered To Reveal User’s Data”

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/04/tech/main4234038.shtml

I’ve been wondering how long it would take before something like this happened.

What do you folks think? Where will it go from here? Are we headed down a long, slippery slope to industry and government Internet content control?

(hope I got the tags right, Jaqui!)

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Score one for the fascists!

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“Be a good citizen, turn in a friend”

content control

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it would seem that this is a challenge to copyright material, and if it can/should be controlled.

Food for thought for the morons in the music industry. I USED to buy a lot of CD’s. I would use Napster to check out music. What I liked, I went out and bought, what I didn’t, I deleted. When punks like Lars started suing their fans is when I stopped buying ANY Metalica products, and stopped buying CD’s for several years. I now buy some, but nothing new until I have a chance to check it out on one of the on-line music sites.

It would be interesting to see how different things would be if they did a few simple things.

One, quit wasting time and money coming up with new anti-copy software that is quickly defeated (sometimes with a marker…)

and two, cut the cost to a REASONABLE cost. It is unreasonable and unethical for the price of a CD to be where it is. If the price wasn’t so unreasonable, most people that do copy music wouldn’t because the savings would not be as great as they are now and it wouldn’t be worth the time.

After too many years…

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of buying LP’s and CD’s that contain only 1 or 2 good tunes for a premium price, I’m with you in the ‘I want to hear the whole thing first’ department.

I did the same with Napster, then with LimeWire. I don’t anymore because of all the potential legal issues. Which also means I don’t buy as much music as I used to. I don’t have the time to sit in the music store and listen to the CD’s I’m interested in while doing nothing else. At least with the sharing options I could get some work done while listening.

Buying downloads is for stupid people

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Charging $1 for one song, as a music download? A fool and their money….

I’d rather pay $1 for a single song

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than $12 for a CD that has only three or four good songs. Why do you view this as stupid? I’m missing your point.

It is a unreasonable price

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It is bad enough the price you are charge for a CD. When you take away most of the physical expenses but don’t lower the price of the product, it is a suckers bet.

That’s what I use to pay for a 45 rpm single 30 years ago.

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Considering inflation, I don’t regard it as an unreasonable expense. I guess it all depends on what you want to spend your money on and what a tune is worth to you. Where do you suggest I get songs cheaper, legally?

cost of production

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of a 45 that was sold in a traditional store vs a single song downloaded from a web site, yes, that price should be less than buying the whole CD. That is before you even take away shipping/manufacture/warehousing/storefront expenses.

My problem is not the cost

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but the quality of the purchase. 128 or even 192 kbs is not CD quality, especially when sent in a lossy, compressed format. Its like unwrapping a Godiva box and getting Hershy’s Kisses inside, still okay, but not what you paid for.

Expenses?

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YOu mean like cover art that has to be purchased from an aritist (expensive), the booklet design, four stage printing, copy and editing, the CD run is reasonable but then there is packaging, labelling, distribution etc. That’s before it hits stores.

This is one of the reasons that the big four bought out a lot of radio stations, they own the retail outlets etc. Free floorspace, no broadcast payola. They also own packaging companies of course so they don’t have ot pay exorbitant costs for CD publishing.

It costs money to publish, print and package a finished CD. It costs more money to retail it.

For those who think they are paying artists by buying CD’s as opposed to downloading them, don’t bother. the artist gets such a small chunk of that change it’s laughable (unless you are the artist, in which case it is not funny at all).

Instead, buy a concert ticket and when yuo get to the show, buy food and drink, buy a tshirt and a program, THEN the artist gets paid.

Paying the artist…

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[i]
For those who think they are paying artists by buying CD’s as opposed to downloading them, don’t bother. the artist gets such a small chunk of that change it’s laughable (unless you are the artist, in which case it is not funny at all).[/i]

Exactly why the RIAA, and record labels are vilified by the (informed) consuming public.

Only when it makes sense

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We have a couple of major outlets here that offer downloads but it is hard for them to be lawful about it. The RIAA is constantly on at them to provide DRM protected music, but DRM protection counters Canadian copyright laws, which state you must be able to make a copy of and store any copyrighted materials, including books, music, TV, Movies etc. This is the first step to workign around the label bandits that try to rape consumers and screw artists in the same process (no the artists still haven’t seen any money from it yet, they’d rather you used BitTorrent to get their music and them buy a concert ticket instead). the other problem is that the ISP’s cannot legally provide user info to the labels, andno supreme court judges will overrule that as of yet, despite pressure form the Us to adhere to THEIR laws instead.

As for paid downloads, they do make sense when you want one song off a disk (usually they only include one song woth buying these days anyway). This is of course, if you are in america, are paranoid about getting nailed for downloading one song and want to buy it instead.

As for buying whole albums, its a waste. Not only is teh music ocmpressed, even teh “high quality” downloads sound like shite on a good system.

a while back, a friend in Germany sent me the prerelease tracks for Judas Priests Nostradamus CD. I played it non stop and enjoyed it ALL (concept album you can’t pick tracks out it just doesn’t work that way). BUT…when it was released in North America a few weeks later, I stopped at Best Buy before even gettign to work so I could buy a retail version. I support Priest, they don’t get paid for radio rotation and rely on concerts, merchandise sales and CD sales to keep going. I also got, 23 tracks (9 intros and 14 main songs) of the highest quality music for $15.99 (intriductory sale price). It was money well spent, for me anyway.

But what are you gonna do with most North American music? One track is great, one track is okay and the rest is crap.

YOu are better off just downloading it as a torrent file, as the quality will be similar to the paid download anyway and not labelled with a restrictive DRM licence.

So unless a band is ready to put out a full CD of tracks I want to hear, unless they are NOT part of the US record industry and don’t have huge corporate giants illegally protecting music the artist doesn’t get paid for, I have no interest in buying any music these days.

I don’t bother with LimeWire, Kazaa (if that’s still around) etc. I use torrents, you can get a full FLAC file (fully lossless Audio codec) or similar high bitrate rip in full album format, or sleect the songs you want from it, instead of taking chances with single song downloads from crappy P2P services with viruses and protected music, excessively compressed 128bit tracks etc.

Utorrent forever! 😀

DRM…

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if I can’t make a backup copy, I ain’t payin’ for it. Anything can happen in life, and it’s ridiculous not to be able to protect my investment.

grr… edit the usual

Even most downloads in the USA are DRM protected.

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It seems that you are not allowed ot back up yoru purchases in the USA, but you’d have to take up that issue with the RIAA. YOu may have to get in the back of a very long line, definitely pack a few weeks meals.

Im right with you.

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When I play back 128 bit mp3s over my stereo, the crappy sound makes my teeth grit… shrill highs, truncated bass, flat mids… like beer witha cig butt in it…
MP3 was optimized for low end consumer products, not audiophile, or even close to audiophile gear.

BTW Paradigm is a Canadian company.
http://www.paradigm.com/
Best speakers I have ever owned.

LOL used to sell them

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I actually worked for the fist Paradigm dealer in Western Canada in er, ahem….1986? OUCH!

I rep MUCH higher end speakers now, real audio by one of the only remaining US companies that actually builds its product in America. Just about everything, once made in the USA, is now made in China or Mexico (Polk, sputter, sputter, plooey!) Bose has also gone to shite over the last 10 years, every since people started to realize that the little cubes are misrepresented, cannot provide the frequencies advertised and other manufacturers are making speakers than CAN at a lower cost, but Bose had strong marketing , so they sold well. (blah blah blah, what was I on about? Paradigm, right.

The OLD 9SE’s were an amazing sounding speaker, they had that Canadian tone that was a mix between the detailed European sound and bassy US sound, lots of punch for rock music but bit of a honky upper-midrange for classical reeds and woodwinds tough.

The Paradigm 11 was a great model too, much better mid than the 9’s for Classical but less bottom end punch for rock music. Over the last 5-8 years they have slid a fair bit though. Since they have changed their distribution model, as many foolish speaker manufacturer’s do, into a high distribution, low margin market. It reduces quality, reduces the resale value and overall value for money. For a dealer they are nice because they are easy to sell, you don’t actually need trained staff because they market the name well and face it people do actally buy a name when they can’t discern good from bad by themselves.

The manufacturer I work with now, which I won’t mention online as there is only one distributor (me/us) are absolutely astounding. They make their own product in the US, utilizing their own proprietary capacitors, transducers, cone materials etc. They actually used to design and build many other high end speakers for other companies like JBL, Cerwin Vega etc.

If you have any interest you can PM me to talk more but I like to keep my work offline.

I used to own Paradim 9’s which I gudgingly traded for some Altec Lansing ‘furniture’, it was too good of a deal to pass up. I got rid of my Mission 770’s, no matter how good they are I just grew tired of that typical British speaker sound which was so popular here in the late 80’s early 90’s. It is great for analogue music (LP’s) but lacks for digital (CD’s or DAT’s).

What do you drive your Paradigms with?

I cllect vintage audio stuff when I can, right now I am driving some Scandinavian beauties with a Harman Kardon CLASSIC, the PM665.

A clean 100WPC in to 8 ohms, but over 380 WPC into 4 ohms due to high current capability, a WHOPPING 60 Amps!!!! WOO HOOOO!!!! An amp you can weld with, now THAT’s audio. Got it for a song too because everyone is stuck on bells and whistles still, especially with 5.1 and 7.1 HT systems in he mix.

as I always said, “Do you look at your music or listen to it? If you prefer to look at it, Future Shop is just down the road, thanks for stopping in and sorry I couldn’t offer you more help.”

[i]If music be the food of love…play on.[/i] W. Shakespeare

Don’t forget its

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$1 for sub-standard 128 kbs Mp3….
Thats like paying BMW prices for a ford pinto…

count me in that group!

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Since the RIAA has been acting like the gestapo, I have bought less, not more, music.

I don’t buy a new book without paging through it a bit, and I don’t buy music unless I know what I’m getting either.

I hope the artists themselves rebel against the industry.

Heck, if I were an artist, I’d release a video direct to YouTube, promo the HELL out of it, and give a discount on ticket sales to my concert for anyone who mentioned the video.

These idiots are missing a marketing GOLDMINE!

Weezer

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I think the band Weezer has already done exactly what you just described. They have a video called Pork and Beans that is You Tube exclusive. They did not intend to make any money off of it, they only wished to promote the freedoms we have as Americans, and how they are in jeopardy.

NIN and Radiohead are already heading there

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And more and more artists are getting on board.

GOOD!

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The music industry is as sleazy as they come. I hope the artists make great inroads and give the finger to the RIAA!

Ditto that.

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There are some bands…

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that do exactly that with a variety of online music services. My impression is that a lot of ‘wannabes’ (no insult intended) use YouTube and imeem and similar to get their music ‘out there’.

wannabe whats?

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What are these youtube artists wanting to be, musicians? They already are. Famous? If Chris Crocker and Tay Zonday can get famous (whom of which most would agree are completely ridiculous), then why not new young aspiring talent. After all, American Idol is a bit narrow as far as genre is concerned. Weezer has been signed with Geffen records since 1994 I think, So what is it that they want to be? Anyway, if I want to watch Jon Stewart pretend to be funny without getting my personal information divulged to Viacom, I think I have that right.

I’ll bite

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Who are Chris Crocker and Tay Zonday? Apparently they aren’t as famous as their publicists would like them to be 🙂

Answers

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Chris Crocker – Cries on his video blog and screams about leaving Britany alone.

Tay Zonday – Chocolate Rain

Wassa ‘Chocolate Rain’?

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A) A song
B) A musical group
C) Like a ‘Golden Shower’, but much sicker.
D) None of the above

Never heard of it / them.

Chocolate Rain is SFW

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It’s a song by a guy that sings like a frog.

Gods of us all, not again.

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What’s ‘SFW’?

Sorry.

“Chocolate Rain” Original Song by Tay Zonday

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Second Palmie’s query…

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What is SFW? or was it SWF?

You’re not alone Palmetto. And I’m sure glad you’re beating me to the asking! 😀

SFW = Safe For Work (NT)

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NT

OMG. Duh. Thanks.

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I will make no joke about eagles. nt

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Here we go yet again.

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What’s ‘Safe for Work’ mean in this context? And what was with that video? Is the kid supposed to be famous? And what do the Eagles have to do with this? (Hopefully nothing.)

I swear these will be my last questions on this subject. If I have any others I’ll just sit on my hands and keep quiet. I’m obviously not informed enough to continue participating.

Chocolate Rain is not a nasty thing

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You kind of hinted at the Tub Girl concept of Chocolate Rain, so I made sure that it was clear it wasn’t anything nasty.

I’ve no idea what eagles have to do with anything 😉

Chocolate rain should == new rickroll nt

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nt

Ok, here I go again…

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what is ‘rickroll’?

A rickroll is

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Posting a link posing as something good and sending them to youtube to watch Rick Astley sing Never Gonna Give You Up.

:D Jokes about eagles aside…

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thanks. Now you clue me, I seem to recall it coming up in a Discussion awhile back. I didn’t know what it was then, either.

Disappearing minutiae.

Another Duh. 😀

Wannabe…

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well-known, famous, recorded at the big-time level, flocked by fans and groupies…

Why was that such a difficult term?

What you mean is bands that don’t have a label pushing their crap

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As most commercial music sucksass.

This allows musicians to make their music they way they want, without having to kiss the ring of a music label, or get screwed by a producer.

Am I the only one that thinks calling musicians “artists” is dumb?

:D Possibly you are…

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Why is music not art?

so, ANY talent is art now?

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Is a nascar drive an artist if they win all the time?

Art hangs on a wall. Just because peoples egos need a stroke is not a reason to include any/every skill set as art.

I suppose this is art too?

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work friendly….

Hmmm…

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opened a dictionary lately? 😀

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/art

1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.

re: This is art too?

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😀
I don’t know for sure, but it’s funny.

“Art hangs on a wall. “

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So… Venus de Milo (sp?) isn’t art? The Sistine Ceiling isn’t art? David, or The Thinker isn’t art?

None of those hang on the wall. 😉

edit: Shoot, JD, that was too easy. 😀

“what is art” is an entirely different and long discusion

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I’m one of the those people that think any skill or activity can be refined the the level of an art.

One can punch another person or fight through brute force but contrast that with a martial artist who uses refined technique, a calm mind and instinctive imagination. At some level, they simply stop thinking in terms of fighting and just let the creativity solve the threat; this is actually the ultimate goal of many arts.

My opinion is that anything can be refined to the point where it is an art. Not by everyone; most of us will simply cook our food and eat while other’s will create true art on a plate.

Some argue that art is not art if it is practical. I think that idea is bunk but some feel that way.

Painting, sculpting and the other “classics” are obvious. What practical use is a five thousand dollar hand made picture hanging on the wall – none, it’s art and look at the brush strokes used.

Heck, using a pushbroom could be refined to an art based on the perfect technique to maximize sweep while minimizing the dust cloud from it.

Really though, the “what is art” topic would be a huge discussion with no possible common conclusion. There is a whole area of philosophy devoted to figuring out what art is.

Ah,but like many other terms

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it is often misused and not understood.

Looking at the last few posts (boxi/sam), a more generic usage is for someone that is highly skilled in their craft. Admittedly, most people that make up pop music are NOT highly skilled in their craft.

To question further, sure, there references to the art of communication, but do you ever refer to that person as an artist?

Then there is the “liberal arts” degree, that allows you to ask “would you like fries with that” in three languages…..

What do you call a guy with no arms or legs hanging on the wall?

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Ah, never mind.

Any CREATIVE talent may be art (programming included!). I’m probably the biggest NASCAR fan here. Drivers are talented, but they aren’t creative nor are they artists.

“…most people that make up pop music are NOT highly skilled in their craft.”

Then not only are they not artists, they aren’t musicians either.

RE: What do you call a guy with no arms or legs

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Don’t bother callling him because he won’t come!

“Forgive me lord……”

What do you call a dog with no legs

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Take it for a drag…..

So, it is creativity that determines artistic or not?

I think that directly counterdicts the previous definition. Maybe Webster got it wrong?

okay then

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What do you call a guy with no legs?
Neil

What do you call a guy with no arms or legs hanging on a wall?
Art

what do you call a guy with no arms or legs laying in a hole?
Phil

What do you call a guy with no arms or legs in a pool?
Bob

What do you call a guy with no arms or legs on your doorstep?
Matt

What do you call a women with one leg?
Eileen

What do you call an Oriental women with one leg?
Irene

What do you call an East Indian in a car accident? Bang-la-dash.

What do you call an East Indian with a drink?
Bartinder

What do you call an East Indian with a hammer?
Hammerjit

What do you call an East Indian with two wooden legs?
Waste of wood ( I skipped the ‘one’ wooden leg due to profanity)

What do you call an East Indian with a hammer?
Carpinder

How come there aren’t any Mexicans on Star Trek?
They don’t work in the future either.

What do you get when you cross a Mexican with a theif?
Someone too lazy to steal.

How many Ethiopians can you fit in a phone booth?
All of them.

How do you start a foot race in Ethiopia?
Roll a doughnut down the street.

okay getting racist now but they are all so common everyone’s heard them and the shock value is long gone anyway.

How do you make a dog go meeeeeow?
Freeze it and run it through a bandsaw.

How do you make a cat go woof?
Soak it in gas and set it on fire.

What do you call a song sung in an automobile?
A cartoon.

What do you get if you cross an elephant and a kangaroo?
Big holes all over Australia!

What did Tennessee?
The same thing Arkansas.

What did Delaware?
Her New Jersey.

Have a good day y’all ! 😉

Actually…

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I think a painter/ sculptor is an ‘artist’, and a musician is an ‘artiste’. :p

I do it all (music, vox, paint, draw, sculpt) so what am I? :0

That is easy

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A WATB, of course….. :p

Actually…

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I am not really one for whining. I prefer to sing with a soulful style, not a whiney one. :p

Wouldn’t that kind of capability…

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fall under ‘multi-tasking’? 😀

Or is that only if you them all at the same time?

Well…

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I could try to do them at the same time, but I REALLY don’t like where I would have to put that paint brush!! :0 :p

Here we go again.

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What’s ‘vox’?

Ooh, ooh…

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I might know this! It’s either imported Vodka (Netherlands), or it’s something to do with guitars and effects pedals for same?

I like the vodka notion, myself. 😀

Vox

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= vocals, singing, canto. :p

I was too lazy to type the additional 3 letters. 😀

ooh, ooh…

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Knew I liked the vodka thing. 😉

Yes, Boxie…

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The Vodka notion does sound more palatable does it not? 😀

Here I go again on my own, going down the only road I’ve ever known!

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Like a drifter, I was born to walk alone…

But I’ve made up my mind
I’ve been wasting too much time….

Wow, what a coincidence

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A band i manage in Europe is JUSt finishing a festival tour with WhiteSnake, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Alice Cooper, DefLeppard, Kiss and many others. WHAT A LINEUP!!!!!!!!!

They are also playing the Magic Circle festival in Bad Arlosen, Germany this weekend (was up all night doing releases gawd am I waxed!). Lineup includes, Manowar (healine) Whitesnake, DefLeppard, Alice Cooper, TedNugent, WASP, and about 30 more.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Perhaps you can see why I am always going on abotu teh crappy music scene we have here, in comparrison it is the lamest scene on teh planet. Even Iran and Israel get better tours that we do in North America! We are a joke to the music world, REALLY!

Why don’t we get outdoor fesitval shows like THAT out here?

because the record companies don’t make any money selling it ‘kin losers, what about the people?

It’s pretty sad when fans no longer dominate the music scene, REALLY sad in fact.

No, it’s dumb to call these idiots musicians.

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I do know a bit about music.

The crap that the so-called musicians put out these days wouldn’t have earned me a “C” in my music composition class.

Same page and same story here JD.

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I don’t even download music anymore. I buy maybe 2 cd’s a year (down from 20-40) If I download it, its from Archive.org, or such where the copywright has clearly expired and the product exists in the public domain.

Given existing laws

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I think the ruling was partially correct. If someone is “damaging” you, you have every right to calculate how much you’ve been damaged, so that you can try to recover from the “damager” (in this case, the person(s) who posted the material). To do this you need to know how many unique people viewed the videos you hold copyright to.

However, I do not believe it is your right to know how many people viewed videos that you do [b]not[/b] hold the copyright to. This information is of no legitimate use to you.

Though the consequences may be vast, the decision is only half-vast.

Vast

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Google should provide a hardcopy of all the requested information. By the way, does anyone know how much paper 4TB will be?

Depends

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Single or double spaced? Front and back?

🙂

How I would do it

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Double-spaced, single-sided and in HEX. 😉

Andn they say Canada is under the government’s thumb

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Here we go again.

It seems, as always, that the US corporations and US government work in lock-step with each other. Once again, we see an issue where the US Constituion is ignored and used to protect corporations instead of the American citizens it was supposedly set to protect.

Once this slides, it will soon appear in Canada too, under pressure by US companies to watch Canadians.

It’s the same as file sharing laws, in Canada even they are starting to be questioned now as the US clamps down on its offenders, which includes Canada too now it seems, if we have to live by your laws, where MY cheap gas, smokes and food? Why can’t I buy beer at 7-11 or Safeway? (ok, well that’s a Canadian issue but if we have to follow suit, we should reap the benefits of these corporations and laws too).

Yeah, your gas is CHEAP, actually one of the lowest prices in the world, and yet most of your gas is imported from other countries.

In Canada, no matter how many times the RIAA and MPAA have tried to nail down file sharing, Canadian Supreme court judges keep overruling the request for Canadian ISP’s to hand over customer information. Our government protects our rights and not the companies that try to change them. However they are bending and contorting our rights any way they can to appease the US companies while still trying to toe the line for Canadian citizens. I am sure that eventually it will be a free for all and anyone’s info is no longer private at all.

This is just another step in the same old direction, in order for Canadian ISP’s to release customer info, they would have to breach our provacy rights. At the absolute most ,YouTube can be provided with an IP address, if they battle with local ISP’s, but they can’t get the name or other info attached to it, and thus cannot prosecute an offender.

I suppose the pressure will be on for another 5-10 years to remove those rights from Canadians too, thanks to the unConstitutional US government that was founded on freedoms and personal liberties.

Please just leave our overly restrictive and socialist/fascist laws alone. If the US is really deemed to be the free nation, we don’t want such freedoms.

Elect a new rep. (not republican, but representative) in the White House that wants to keep your laws in your own ‘kin country for a change.

Ha Ha

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I can buy beer at 7-11….

B-)

We have privatized liquor stores now

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It used to be only the govrenment liquor stores, then bars started opening cold beer stores for buying off-sales, then Cold Beer stores were everywhere, and now they are allowed to sell hard liquor.

The nice thing about a private liquor store is that I can buy cold beer on a Sunday morning on the way to the track, they are also open late and they are everywhere now.

It’s not as bad as it used to be, and at least our beer actually has a trace of alcohol in it.

They can sell it in 7-11 in the US because Jolt Cola or Perrier water is more likely to give you a buzz.

the only drag is that is costs $28 for a 12 pack of cold beer, but then again, we genrally get paid more so I guess they feel they can charge us more too.

The Ontario debate

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In Ontario, we have a “Beer Store” which is owned by the three big breweries and a gov’t owned Liquor Store.

In Quebec they have a gov’t Liquor Store and beer is available at almost every corner store.

In the Beer Store you can get three hundred kinds of beer. And its cheaper than in Quebec. But the number of outlets is smaller and the hours aren’t as late. We don’t have off sales. And the exotic foreign beers are available at the Liquor Store.

James

Now *THAT* is a reason to visit Canada

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Our evil culture of ‘being able to do whatever you want’ is infecting you!

Nah, its just a tease

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$28 a 12 pack for Stella Artois? Good thing I’m a thirsty guy!

RE: Elect a new rep.

In reply to Andn they say Canada is under the government’s thumb

“Elect a new rep. (not republican, but representative) in the White House that wants to keep your laws in your own ‘kin country for a change.”

Our government protects our rights and not the companies that try to change them. However they are bending and contorting our rights any way they can to appease the US companies while still trying to toe the line for Canadian citizens.”

If the above is true, it sounds like YOU need to elect a new rep. and worry about “your own ‘kin country for a change.”

Our government protects our rights and not the companies that try to change

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sure they do, SURE they do!! It is always American citizens best interests that they care about.

As for worryign about my own ‘kin country for a change, that would be easy but you seem to forget that anything YOUR country does has effect on MY country (if Canada is assumed as my country these days).

When YOUR country can keep YOUR politics inside YOUR borders, then YOU have a right to tell people to mind their own business.

When YOUR country takes YOUR agendas to the WORLD stage and places the rest of the allied nations in jeopardy while spitting at them through gritted teeth, guess what, YOUR problem is now MY problem and I’ll tell you straight up that I don’t ‘kin like YOUR business in MY face.

Got it?

When you understand the relationship between yoru nation and the rest of the world, and how YOUR business has been forced upon them, you have a hope. Until then you are just another backward Alababamamanba.

One of my best friends moved here from Birmingham, Alabama about 10 years ago, I am quite aware of how cluelessly kept in the dark y’all are in your little state.

You DO know that America is just another country on the Earth and not a planet, right?

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Message was edited by: tcavadias – For sexual comments directed at a member that goes beyond crossing the line.

You know…

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the rudeness and regular insult that occurs around here in this sort of discussion sometimes is usually laughable.

In this case, I think you need to go soak your head.

Cheers & sorry Tammy

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I am not gonna sit down and take this though.

I missed the sexual comments, too bad I didn’t get a chance to read the reply (but then I am sure my reply to it would have been deleted too). As you know, I can take it as well as dish it out but I understand that others are here that may be offended too.

You do good Oz

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And you didn’t need to read the spew, honest.

Kudos to Tammy for a quick and called-for trigger finger!

It was way over the line…

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way over the line.

I’ve seen some pretty ignorant, rude, and foul cr@p over the years I have been reading here, but I’ve not seen that, ever.

Sickening little piggie. Blech.

You shouldn’t have said that

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now I really want at it, nobody can be more foul and disgusting that me, NOBODY, I TELL YOU!!! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! ]:)

Well…

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it wasn’t an uncommon obscene epithet, just one I haven’t seen here before. I’d offer to tell you if you pm’d me, but then I might have to push the button on you. 😀

Don’t get me wrong,

In reply to Andn they say Canada is under the government’s thumb

There is alot to love about America, but:

“It seems, as always, that the US corporations and US government work in lock-step with each other. ”

We are a capitalist nation, and as such, EVERYTHING is eventually for sale if the price is right… money == power.
“Angel highs and Devil lows I tell you my Droogies.”

Viddy well, my little Brother. Viddy well

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A fellow Kubrick fan!?

In Dublin’s fair city
Where the girls are so pretty
I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone
As she wheeled her wheelbarrow
Through streets wide and narrow…

Crying cockless and mussels alive,
Alive O…
Alive, alive O… Alive, alive O…
Crying cockless and mussels alive,
Alive O…

One thing I could never stand is to see a filthy, dirty old drunkie, howling away at the filthy songs of his fathers and going blerp, blerp in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in his stinking rotten guts. I could never stand to see anyone like that, whatever his age might be, but more especially when he was real old like this one was.

[b]How are thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou.[/b]

[b]There was some sophistos from the TV studios around the corner, laughing an govoreeting. The Devotchka was smecking away, and not caring about the wicked world one bit. Then the disc on the stereo twanged off and out, and in the short silence before the next one came on, she suddenly came with a burst of singing, and it was like for a moment, O my brothers, some great bird had flown into the milkbar and I felt all the malenky little hairs on my plott standing endwise, and the shivers crawling up like slow malenky lizards and then down again. Because I knew what she sang. It was a bit from the glorious 9th, by Ludwig van.[/b]

Classic!

WAAAAY TOO GOOD! 😀

Nice bits there, boys. Thanks for the Burgess.

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IMHO

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It’s silly.

If YouTube can be sued, then every VCR and DVD recorder should be suable too.

YouTube is a medium on which videos are stored, just like a VCR tape or DVD. Just the storage is on a server, rather than on a shelf.

Personally, I’d like to sue Viacom for having such crappy programming.

WHERE IS THE MAN SHOW AND CRANK YANKERS?!?!?!

They were too cheap to pay talent real money.

Cheap bastards. lol 😉 :^0

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