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Why those 13 are the old 13

By john.a.wills ·
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In 1776 Great Britain, a state in Europe, had 27 American dependencies. In that year 13 of them banded to together and seceded from Great Britain's empire to be come the United States. Why those 13?

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What is your point ???

by birdmantd Moderator In reply to Why those 13 are the old ...

We learned this in elementary school as kids. You aren't saying anything new or thought provoking.....

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Why those 13?

by john.a.wills In reply to What is your point ???

Why not all 27? What is special about those 13? What have those 13 in common that the remaining 14 do not have?

You say that you learned this in grade school. I did not, because I did my primary schooling outside the U.S., but I have asked several people this question who did go to grade school in the U.S. and they have no answer either. Well, some of them give such answers as the stamp tax, but as far as I know that applied to all 27, so that cannot be the crucial reason.

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You lost me there

by birdmantd Moderator In reply to Why those 13?

During the American Revolution there were only 13 colonies in North America that became the United States. At that time there were not 27 colonies in the US.

Britain had colonies worldwide but they didn't all unite at the same time. Many didn't earn their independance from Britain for almost 200 years later.

Sorry, but your original question didn't make sense.

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But there was no US

by john.a.wills In reply to You lost me there

I am asking how the US came to be defined. Great Britain had 27 American colonies. 13 of the 27 united to become the US. Why those 13?

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Re: 13 out of 27

by Kees_B Moderator In reply to But there was no US

Can you list what those 13 were and what those 14 were?

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Great Britain......

by birdmantd Moderator In reply to But there was no US

Never had 27 American colonies. For instance, the Bahamas was a British colony but never part of the Americas. Britain had colonies outside of North America as well. Canada is in North America but was never part of the US.

Google is your friend and there is plenty of information about this online. All you need to do is do a search for the information.

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in reply to Kees_B

by john.a.wills In reply to Why those 13 are the old ...

The 13 colonies which seceded from Great Britain's empire in 1776: Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut. I will not try to remember all the other 14, but those adjacent to the 13 were: Nova Scotia (not the same as the present Canadian province of that name), Canada (not the same as the present Dominion of Canada), Ohio and Florida; further afield were Barbados (Alexander Hamilton's homeland), Prince Edward Island, Jamaica, etc.

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You missed my earlier point

by birdmantd Moderator In reply to in reply to Kees_B

The Canadian provinces were not and are not part of the US. That accounts for several of the colonies that you quoted. Bottom line is that there were only 13 colonies that became the US after the Revolutionary War was won. I don't think the Canadian provinces in question were seeking independence from Great Britain. .

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birdmantd is missing the point of the question.

by john.a.wills In reply to Why those 13 are the old ...

There were no Canadian provinces in 1776. Some colonies about a century later became provinces of the thitherto non-existent Dominion of Canada.

There was no U.S. until 1776. 13 colonies formed it in that year. What did those 13 have in common, that they did not have with the other 14? What did New Hampshire have in common with Georgia but not with Nova Scotia? Georgia in common with NH but not with Florida?

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What is the point of all this?

by wizard57m_cnet Moderator In reply to birdmantd is missing the ...

John, you started this discussion calling Great Britain a "state in Europe"...GB is more than just a state, they were a world encompassing empire. France, Spain and Netherlands (to name a few off the top of my head) also had world wide empires. Those empires all claimed parts of "the new world" as their colonies. Britain's colonies tended to locate in what is present day "New England" (Maine, New Hampshire, New York, etc.) France claimed lands a bit further west and north for the most part, and Spain colonized primarily the south, especially what is now Florida, Central and South America. Treaties, alliances and wars passed long before the American Revolution which led to those 13 colonies banding together. Besides, there were a substantial number of "Loyalists" in those 13 colonies which did not favor breaking from Great Britain.
Anyhow, if you are really interested, you can find this information on the internet, as this forum is not conducive to lengthy discussions and classes on world history...Yes, I mean world history, because the United States came to existence due to circumstances occurring throughout the world, not just those 13 colonies.

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