IT Employment
by alan.wendt
by admin
by generalist
I know that programs past a certain length have a 'mind' of their own. Maintaining them can often require a form of mind reading and a 'Twenty Questions' search to figure out exactly what it is thinking.
And when you get down to it, micro-code and software drivers might be considered to be 'automatic' life functions like breathing and digesting food.
by radiic
NEVER MIND! I already changed it! And I am NOT telling Sarah the new one!
By the way, I think she also has a question posted with like 26 answers, all with NO STATUS, and the question really looks like a bogus deal to me too. (I sent her a message asking which one is right). Don't worry. She is probably long gone from this discussion by now. Best to steer clear of these types unless you wanna play.
SO, are we having any fun yet?
By the way, if you are new, this site is really serious most of the time, and a great place to really get answers and ask questions, but sometimes we do get an occassional belly roller going to ease the carpal tunnel, you know. Don't worry. Be happy. I'm outta here.
by lordinfidel
Need I say more?
Step away from the computer maam and put the Jolt cola down.
by kosiguy
by rzan
by guruofdos
Well, I can understand your sentiments, and yes, a lot of home users are goobers/kids/psychos (your call!) I, however, am a software and hardware professional. I used AOL for 6 years at home, and our company has used AOL at work for our internet access for three years.
Reasons?
1) First ISP in the UK to offer genuine flat rate access on an 0800 number for a low (?90 per year)fixed price. How many other companies who claimed this are still in business? We are a small company who still have to use dial-up because of our location and the lack of wide band where we happen to be. We don't have a web-site because what we do is not for public consumption so we don't need servers, web-hosting or anything else that a 'commercial' ISP may provide.
2) Speed. I have tried at least 14 ISP's and on average, ping times are a lot lower with AOL, connections tend to be more reliable and their infrastructure is so much more reliable.
3) Security. How many of the Melissa/Sircam type virii rely on people using Outlook/OE or Microsoft based mail clients? AOL has it's own mail system which is pretty much immune to these kind of attacks. It's also not POP based, so works much faster than many POP/SMTP mail systems.
4) The software is easy to use. My co-workers aren't computer experts so they need something simple to use.
Oh and by the way, the secret code is....
...well, I COULD tell you, but then I'd have to kill you!!!
I must also add that I have seen some pretty whacked questions and discussions from non-AOL users....hmmm....hotmail, excite and other web-based mail systems spring to mind here?!! Let's get rid of the nutters, not have a go at the ISP's they choose to access these forums with.
by jeff dray
Can't serious IT workers have a laugh as well? is fun and humour the sole preserve of the child molester in AOL chat rooms?
Lighren up, you might live longer.
by admin
by ebob
This "babygrl282" is from AOL, so we have to assume that it (he? she?) has some serious IT handicaps. So it drops completely irrelevant posts in these discussions, but this is out of stupidity and/or ignorance, but I am sure there is no malice.
Ihave seen posts in other threads this morning from "babs", with the same amazing non-sequitir theme.
Let's just all ignore it's posts.
Here's a thought to lighten things up: Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever!
Truly a wise man.
And a great final thought, as well.
by lordinfidel
Maybe someone should let GuruOfDos know this.
He apparently won't listen to me and swears by AOL.
by tomsal
Yeah I got one of those emails from the peer directory....
"I need your advise" it was from that babygrl address too.
by saramiller
by saramiller
by ebob
by rdschaefer
I wasn't going to join this discussion but I can't let this slide by. How can you defend this trash if someone can impersonate you so easily?
I've been in IT for almost 20 years and I absolutely detest AOL (and MSN for that matter). The personal comments were, perhaps, unnecessary but you brought them on yourself by your stupid original post and your bad spelling and grammar.
Ralph
by jimhm
Sara - you need to learn how to comprehend when you read - he called you IT handicapped - just talking to admin doesn't give you insite to the world of IT.
Even thou this is the funniest thread that has been posted in years - you (shara) need tolearn how to roll with the punches...
by pscgroup professional software consultants
If ever someone could find out that computers have a mind and soul and feelings too, it must be a sensitive female beeing.
But she should continue in her researches to give us thumb males information about some really interesting and worldmoving facts:
Have computers romantic intentions ?
Do computers have a sex-life and how does it work ?
Are there any documents showing computer sexuality ?
I urgently want to know all this to enable my best friend to get full satisfaction for his bits and bytes !!!!
So, babygirl, give me information and advice as soon as possible.
Waiting for an answer
Janmichael Jung
of PSCGroup
by lordinfidel
I strongly disagree with the **Positives!??** of AOL.
While I don't question your motives since you are in a different country and yes AOL is easy to use for idiots who don't know any better.
But you obviously have never tried to remove AOL and have no idea what it REALLY does to your system.
Besides the obvious Flawed TCP/IP stack that they decided to write. It roots it's self so deep into your OS that it literally takes an hour and 2 scans of the registry to remove it. (don't bother using the unistall, that does'nt do crap).
Also, in statemnt #3, means you obviosly are not an mail admin. Web Based e-mail is NOT the fastest e-mail out there.
Technically Exchange and SendMAil are 2 of the fastest in exchanging mail. Notto mention the fact that if you have your client e-mail program set to send/recieve e-mail every 30 minutes, then obviosly it will be slow. (Exchange clients using Outlook Natively with exchnage has their mail delivered to them the second it hit's the IMS)
Plus, I can not COUNT the number of e-mail borne virus's that my network has received from AOL accounts. Not to mention that a good majority of mail relaying that I have seen has been done thru AOL mail servers.
I hate to blast you onthis. I'm sure you meant well. But since the title of this discussion is "Check you Facts", I suggest you do so before defending AOL.
by guruofdos
"While I don't question your motives since you are in a different country and yes AOL is easy to use for idiots who don't know any better"
Correct, I am in the UK, but 90% of the people or sites I communicate with are in the US. AOL is also easy to use for users who don't want the complexity, faults or bizarre errors of IE and Outlook/OE.
"But you obviously have never tried to remove AOL and have no idea what it REALLY does to your system."
Why "obviously"? Actually I have removed AOLseveral times. As we change machines, the old ones get passed on. Removing AOL is simple, and takes about 45 seconds....and leaves a clean registry. Try removing OE or IE from a system and see how long it takes!! I have every idea what it does to a system.
"Besides the obvious Flawed TCP/IP stack that they decided to write. It roots it's self so deep into your OS that it literally takes an hour and 2 scans of the registry to remove it. (don't bother using the unistall, that does'nt do crap)."
Who gives a f*** about the TCP/IP stack?!! And IE is more rooted into the OS than AOL ever can be!! As I said....45 seconds to remove AOL.
"Also, in statemnt #3, means you obviosly are not an mail admin. Web Based e-mail is NOT the fastest e-mail out there."
I didn't say it was!!! I just said that AOL's system was faster than POP/SMTP mail (based on sending mail to several people who were on the other end of the phone, timing how long it took to arrive). I don't need to be a mail admin - AOL does it for me!
"Plus, I can not COUNT the number of e-mail borne virus's that my network has received from AOL accounts".
So....a virus is a virus, wherever it comes from...I was talking about trojans that mess with MS or 'standard' SMTP mail clients. AOL does not suffer from attacks that send infected mail to all your mail contacts.
I've checked my facts....care to double check yours?!!
by lordinfidel
Since I AM a MAIL ADMIN (5 exchange servers in a WAN scenario) I think what I say has some credence.
Like I said, removing AOL thru the Uninstall program is not REMOVING it!
(go thru the registry afterwards and see what I mean, clean my Ass!.)
And who cares about a tcp/ip stack.......Hmmmmmm Try telling that to a CCIE. AOL's implentation of TCP/IP is FLAWED. It is a KNOWN issue!!!!!!!
BTW- tcp/ip allows you to talk to other people on the net, it is the De Facto protocol. AOL decided not to use the RFC compliant stack and just write their own.
try removing and see how far you get.
Also- IE ships with windows. It is integrated into the OS!. If you knew anything about windows you would understand how browsing works in conjuction with explorer. (TIP- It is not used just to surf the net!)
The fact that you allow AOL to be your mail admin does not lend credence to your argument.
Not a single colleague of mine would ever consider using AOL as their e-mail source.
I would never hire a tech that makes a claim like yours, it shows how absolutely ignorant they are about the net.
Most Admins like myself, go so far as to ban it's installation on corporate systems. Don't believe me, ask some corporate admins.
There is a reason why the majority of the IT community really dislikes AOL.
Don't be like the girl who originated this post.
by bart.pittari
Um, guys - it's called "Eudora" and there's also something out there called Netscape and something else called Opera.
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by jimhm
Question really is has she matted with it yet... Is it a male or female machine... maybe its bi -
Oh I know why - because its been on AOL for so long - it got perverted .. and now is after 3 to 9 year olds...
I would say BabyG... is around 10 or 11 ... brain dead JR High - AOL user...
by admin
It seems that conjecture is of interest here in some of the above threads.
Obviously, it's a troll that worked.
Are the rest of you getting any letters from this rascal of whatever age and gender through the peer directory now that you have replied in this silly thread?
by ebob
...to get your advise
(haaarrrrrr haaaaaaarrrr)
by admin
by saramiller
by tomsal
Oh man you hit the nail on the head for many of the reasons I CAN NOT STAND AOL!
I'm in charge of all our IT assets (hardware assets - programming and development is headed by another person --- my boss)... I administer our network including our own mail server.
For some to assume that AOL isn't flawed - especially in spreading virus infections or that its performance is even remotely fast or reliable is laughable at best.
No AOL service will be used for official company business as long as I can help it.
An executive and some of our service people use it for their personal accounts at home but that's at home - I have no right or care there, I still tell them of how bad AOL is.
(Not to mention the obvious....$21 a month forISP access!!! Are you insane or just stupid? Regional ISPs will give you twice the service, 5 times the reliability and speed at as low as $12 a month!).
And the comment made on here about how the TCP/IP stack doesn't matter....WHAT THE HELL !!! Doesn't matter? Oh so it doesn't matter that some applications aren't compliant with AOL service because of the flawed stack? It doesn't matter that its not reliable? It doesn't matter a company is making its own rules instead of conforming to a standard.. (funny people jump all over MS for this!).
Not mention - if you are a PC Gamer, you'll loathe AOL service for networked games -- its widely known among the "hard core online gaming community" that AOL is deemed the "wussy service". (Limitedgame support, very unreliable, very slow)
Anyway I just had to chime in.
I think when my next AOL CD comes in I'll go play some frisbee with my nephew. ;)
by guruofdos
I have used Eudora and have set it up on several clients machines. Same with Netscape.
My reasons for using AOL was NOT the browser OR the mail client (although BOTH serve us well).
The issue is one of the ISP and low cost dial up access. AOL charge us ?90 per year....end of story! For that we get more than sufficient email addresses and web access facilities.
by guruofdos
Did I say I use THEIR uninstaller??!!! And as an IT guy do YOU rely on uninstallers supplied with software packages?!!
IE ship with windows 98 onwards but can be removed. It is not shipped as an integral part or Win95 OR WFWG or MAC_OS!!!
My issue was originally about service provision, and the fact that AOL did and still do offer the only viable service for 0800 access dial-up at the right price level for our small (7 employees) company in a rural area with no wide-band provision as yet.So many ISP's will only offer a 'commercial' (for commercial read EXPENSIVE) package here in the UK if you are dialling in to a freefone 0800 number from a non-residential phone line. That means several hundred GBP per quarter for facilities we willNEVER use. Who needs 50MB+ of web-hosting when you don't have even a corporate web-page?!
I don't doubt for one minute your alleged abilities, but the fact of the matter is our reasons FOR using AOL are slightly more valid to us as a company thanYOUR reasons not to use AOL!!
Have a nice day, and keep smiling. Thanks for the healthy debate!
by saramiller
by admin
Apparantly, you're saying she's "l33t like JeffK?" Or is that your style, and she's trying to steal it?
Every geek with a brain and access to Doug Adams knows the secret code is 42 anyway.
To whoever the credit is due, way to go on the #1 discussion :>
I guess our everyday topics just aren't of as much interest to the masses here.
(Of course, I also have a theory that many regular users here actually spawn off a "character" now and again anyway....so "masses" may be misleading.....)
by ebob
...then it's Meghan, now it's Sarah Miller! Reminds me of several Star Trek episodes.
Wait, no, reminds me of that song, I thin by They Might Be Giants:
First it's Istanbul, then Constantinople...
by ebob
by saramiller
by admin
How's "Death of a Technical Sales Person" coming along? How many pages have you finished? Are you enjoying the research? I was hoping you would be "Sara Lee" sometime, as I wanted to know the secret to the awful smooth quality of your frozen deserts.
IRC ain't what it used to be, eh?
by jimhm
by saramiller
by generalist
Some societies believe that the first person to lose their temper loses the argument or discussion.
I guess this means that we win if we use those societal rules.
by kelly2121
.. And I thought the problems of the world stemmed from a lack of fiber in ones' diets.
Silly me.
by jacmari
by fossil
by epepke
AOL is actually a very well written product. From a usability standpoint, it is excellent.
AOL users have a reputation for cluelessness, though, for the same reason that people who drive Volvos have a reputation for being terrible drivers: because, statistically, it's true. The clueless will always preferentially select what is easy to use.
Of course, people tend to confuse the user with the tool, so people look down on AOL (or the Macintosh or whatever) because it enables the more clueless to do something. This is one of the reasons that applications with poor or mediocre usability are selected for in the marketplace.
by meshyslanky
by ebob
You've talked with many administrators and they agree that the secret code to get into any computer is "whatever?"???
OK then.
by teaguer
by admin
They Might Be Giants had a number of great songs :>
Meghan, Sarah Miller, Billy Neanderthal, meshyslanky...... it's getting a bit like the Star Trek where the planet is so crowded that everyone is running around like sardines in uniforms pressed up against the outside windows....if you caught that episode....
by meshyslanky
by meshyslanky
by heythere
Geez, I thought there might be actual professional types on this discussion. Wrong. Great point, meshyslanky. You have a fine grasp of the obvious, too bad not everyone has that gift.
By the way, picking on people for their supposed ignorance orstupidity only shows off your own intolerance and inadequacies. What, are you afraid someone might come along and show you up for not being as smart as they are? What is the point? Learn that the world doesn't revolve around IQ's. We're all (mostly, anyway) a little deeper than that.
by lordinfidel
I have no problems admitting that I have a very low tolerence for *Continued* stupidity and ignorance.
I am sure that their are many people out there that can show me up. In fact I am 100% sure of it.
But I doubt it will be them. The only gift these 2 posses it the gift of idiocracy.
If I wanted to shoot nonsensical Sh*t, then I would go to an AOL chatroom.
But this isn't AOL, and the avg joe here is going to be a very intellingent person. Not everyone can live in the world of ITand function.
BTW- In the IT world, It is about how smart you are.
by meshyslanky
by ebob
... or if Babygrl282/Meghan/SaraMiller would just answer the questions and help clear up what he/she/it was actually trying to say, in the original post, then we could carry on this discussion in a sensible manner.
But no!!!! He/She/It just misreads and gets all fired up. So of course, a few of us have a great deal of fun with that!
PS: I dod not the original poster IS handicapped, but that it HAS an "IT handicap" (being "AOL"). Sort of like how I have a car handicap: a 12 year old rust bucket with a few too many kilometres.
by ebob
Just being friendly, and offering a couple of hopefully helpful tips.
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"meet friends in USA:
The members of TR are not just Americans. Many of us come from all around the globe (something about "world-wide" web, and "global" Internet community).
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"i could meet friends"
Don't worry about making friends here, it will happen. Way back in the early days of the emergence of public interest and participation in the Internet, when Newsgroups were still the way to go, the basic advice to all "newbies" was to "lurk". This means: just sit back and watch what goes on. See who the main characters are, and try to understand their personalities. Try to undertsand the dynamics of the group, before getting too involved in any conversation.
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A general suggestion when getting involved with "new" situations
This advice (with a "C", people!) applies to TechRepublic Discussions, and Q&A, too. At least I figure so.
Would you walk into a room-full-of-strangers and just start sounding off on something without at least trying to listen on some of the conversdations, just to see if this room room-full-of-strangers is the right room-full-of-strangers for you? Of course not. Same thing applies here (or in the old newsgroups, which are still around). This may look like your computer screen, but it's real life, too.
by meshyslanky
by kelly2121
Anyone know of where they're holding auditions for "1-800-COLLECT" commercials?
I think we GOT one!!!!!!!!
by meshyslanky
by lordinfidel
I tried to be nice to you before and you automatically took it as I was blasting you.
I then went on to explain my actions to you but I assume you never read it, or just avoided responding.
While there are many different cultures that participate here. We all have one thing in common. IT.
Your going to find that in the IT community we are generally smarter than the "avg" folk. Our tolerance levels very short when it comes to ignorance.
We all make stupid mistakes and ask stupid questions. The difference is how we "the originator" reacts to the responses. If you act with continued ingnorance or stupidity, then you are going to be treated that way.
The upper echelon around here come here to try to help out the lower ranks. We take insult to these type of posts and will blast back when we deem it necessary. That's our right to protect our community and profession.
Regardless of physical geographical boundries.
My suggestion is that if you are choosing a career in IT or you are in one already, you need to develop a stronger back bone. Because like I said before. IT professionals have a pretty low tolerance for crap.
Lighten up a little on 'ol Sarah, OverL.
She's just having a dab of fun, and you know it! We don't need preachers around here either. I get enough of that crap from my anal retentive bosses at work!
If you are a newbie, this is what happens sometimes with the stresses in our type of industry. Don't worry. Just be happy. :-) THIS IS A JOKE! (How's that OverL?)
Just move along now. Besides: I just changed the code again anyway, so now nobody knows what it is for awhile, and I ain't telling Sarah again, neither! So now, back to work ya'll!!!!!
by lordinfidel
First I'm no newbie.....
I can take a joke as well as anyone else. Which I did in the beginning. (I was one of the first people to respond back to her)
But several posts later and personal accusations made towards me. Plus they blasted an innocent bystander for asking a question. That drew the line for me.
They don't belong here. If it was an isolated thread, then I can say fine whatever. But they have been infecting all threads with their BS.
I think it is fair to say that once you start interfering with legitimate posts then you have crossed the line of fun/amusement.
That is my point. I'm not some uptight a##hole, (i have tat's, piercings and long hair). I can take the personal insults thrown out by them. But when they attack a newcomer, then it's open hunting season on them.
They crossed the line here, not me. I'm just enforcing the no fly zone.
I'm a Sys admin- I think that says it all.
by generalist
The person using the name 'SaraMiller' appears to want some attention. He or she did it in a way that is silly to some and disrespectful to others.
In other discussions, 'SaraMiller' sounds like 'she' may actually be male. That seems to fit theprofile of somebody who isn't really trying to be serious.
While I'm not against a little fun in life, I do feel that everybody needs to respect others. 'SaraMiller' has yet, to my knowledge, shown much respect. But others have shown respect to'her'.
Please consider this when viewing the discussions that 'SaraMiller' starts or participates in. You and your friends may find that the attacks are deserved, though they could be better phrased. (i.e. Comments about this AOL user are disrespectful of other AOL users.)
THANK YOU GENERAL!!!! I am in complete agreement, and you should read my reply to OverL titled "WHOA HOSS" for what I am thinking of the way he is "dressing her down". Truth is, Sarah just wants attention and as long as people continue responding and attacking and "swapping spit" she is getting what she wants out of it anyway!
Best to just "cease and desist"!
By the way, the reference you made to "her" maybe being a "male" is also a little disrespectful to members of the real world like gays and transexuals, so "let he who is among you without sin cast the first stone."
Who cares if "she" is a "he" or vice versa or and why does THAT make any difference???
Uh oh. I told OverL not to preach in here, then here I go! Sorry! I'm outta here.
by generalist
I based my comment on 'her' being a 'him' based on two posts that had a definite reference to the sender's gender. My intent was to point out the possibility that 'SarahMiller' was somebody trying to spoof us. Using a female name to gather sympathy and project an aura of being 'computer empathic' would be a 'good' way of doing such a thing. (Yeah, it IS being sexist, but it works. Check out some of the sympathetic postings that refer to 'poor girl'.)
I didn't intend to be disrespectful to gays, transsexuals or others who fall outside of mainline society 'norms'. I just wanted to mention possible discrepancies that could be caused by someone intentionally trying to appear to be female for the wrong purposes.
Of course 'SarahMiller' could always be someone who was given a male name but has a female 'soul' that goes by the name of 'SarahMiller'. It can also cover those who have multiple personalities, one of which is 'SarahMiller'. Those are just two of the additional scenarios that would explain the gender discrepancies I found.
I suspect that we will never know unless 'SarahMiller' can be tied to a specific person and that person provides hard evidence of who they really are.
by ebob
...either.
For example, it shows disrespect to walk into a room and shout out some "nonsense". It shows disrespect to then expect everybody else in the room to treat the shouter of the nonsens in anything but a rude manner.
It particularly shows disrespect to fail to clarify the original remark when asked several times to do so.
At least that's the way things work in my country.
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