Security
hi guys
i want to know how to crack the passwords of the yahoo mail
and also want to get the tool for it.
if any body know do tell me.
sumit
by rob97
no man its just the curiosity to knoew how to do things like that.
its just knowledge sharing buddy
sumit
by james r linn
My ISP was hacked and the credit card information for the ISP's customers was copied. Nothing criminal was done - there was no attempt to use the numbers.
But tens of thousands of people were inconvenienced, having to get new cards. Some of us were travelling at the time, arriving late at a hotel to find out that our card was no longer valid. That cost the credit card companies real dollars.
Think about what this person asked to do - do you want people hacking yahoo mail accounts? Isn't there enough of that already.
I am all for the use of password cracking tools for improving security - we run them monthly and force users with easily cracked passowrds to change them.
But cracking/hacking for the sake of curiousity, when there is potential harm to others, is selfish and insensitive. You can learn alot without cracking other people's systems.
James
by lordinfidel
If your goal is to learn security, asking for password cracking tools is not the way to go.
Asking for hack tools in an open forum is kind of idiotic. It's like walking up to a cop and asking him for a joint.
Just some harsh reality.
by kima
How do you learn if you don't share info?? How do you acquired knowledge is you don't seek? How do you kill curiosity is you don't perform a challenge?
We all go through a stage call "CURIOSITY" but thanks to that stage many of the inventions of today exist, without curiosity you wouln't have a computer to communicate or share info, you wouln't have a TV,DVD,etc.
On the other hand if you don't share info, you wouln't have choices to pick from...
That's how it works you share knowledge with other, you gain something back most of the time, if you don't you encounter a CHALLENGE..
CHALLENGES are good for the mind, they required critical thinking, they motivate your mind to create and come up with solutions to either solve the problems or stop them..
Seeking KNOWLEDGE is always good, in this case he is seeking knowledge, that's good. Will he used for good or bad, well that's his conscience, but whether we tell him or not the info is out there and somebody else will...
You cannot cover the sky with ONE hand!! And you cannot tell people not to acquired KNOWLEDGE!!!
If you know it share it, if you don't, stop arguing and learn it... Get into the CHALLENGE !!!!
by dbgirl
Asking how to crack passwords is not innocent curiosity. There is only one reason to need that kind of knowledge. And that is to get into something you have no business getting into.
I am all for curiosity, and sharing useful knowledge. Just because information is available does not mean that it's okay to use the information.
I was under the impression that this site was for professional people to share information. I cannot see how, by any stretch of the imagination, it could be saidthat cracking passwords was professional.
by karma1
Would you like a challenge?
Learn English. Spelling, Grammar, all of it.
Knowledge is useless for knowledge's sake. Knowledge must be used.
Would you want any person to be able to 'learn' how to hack into your web based mail account? Specially by posting here asking for a utility to do it? Come on, you'd have to be an idiot not to know that he plans on using it.
Your entire argument is pointless and groundless when you consider who/what you are arguing for.
by fu.bar
Um, is it really a "challenge" to ask others to provide you with script kiddie tools?
Does anybody know how to use a search engine anymore? Or *read* Usenet posts about a given subject?
Fu Bar
by marianosrur
by lordinfidel
As a white hat, I resent all of your above statements.
I admit, to learn security you have to think like a hacker and act like a hacker.
It can be a shady, fine line to walk.
But to openly ask for a hacking tool on a public forum using yourreal address is just plain stupid.
There are many forums where security experts go and who share info with each other. This is not one of them.
An more appropiate question would be, "If I wanted to learn security, where should I start"
Nothey, give me some yahoo password crackers. That is just pure ignorance, and I have no problem blasting him or anyone else that supports him.
A white hat.
by mccabe_c
He's not asking for a challenge. He's asking for a tool who's uses are 99.9% malicious.
Even if you don't have a moral objection, this is not the forum.
Thanks,
Chaz
by keith246
>>How do you learn if you don't share info??
How do you acquired knowledge is you don't seek?<<
Research
>>How do you kill curiosity is you don't perform a challenge? <<
Killing curiosity isn't much of a goal.
>>On the other hand if you don't share info, you wouln't have choices to pick from<<
Huh?
>>CHALLENGES are good for the mind<<
Using a tool or a method from someone else to do something illegal isn't much of an intellectual challenge.
>>Seeking KNOWLEDGE is always good<<
Read about Dr. Mengle and what he did in WWII then come back. Mengle aside, stealing confidential info is bad.
>>Will he used for good or bad, well that's his conscience<<
Giving a thief burglary tools is on one's own conscience, and an offense in many jurisdictions.
>>but whether we tell him or not the info is out there and somebody else will<<
The lowest of immoral excuses.
by kima
If you want to learn anything you have to research, the info is available already...
Good enginees to search are:
Now Astalavista should give you the answer, otherwise type the following:
For WinNT - "crack Windows NT passwords" in the search box or something like that...
Some words to use:
- "Cracking passwords"
- "crack NT passwords"
- "crack LINUX passwords"
etc., just specify and go through all the sites thatcome up, some are not quite obvious...
RESEARCH is the key to everything...Also if you know other languages try it in those languages, as for me I have quite a few options, I read French,Italian,Portuguese,Spanish,English,etc and trust me everything out there is very good no matter what language it is.
by alece
Go search for hacking at hacking sites. This is not the place for it. If you seek knowledge from criminals, then go to criminal sites. There are plenty of these around and they will give the "research" you want as well as learn who you are, steal cookies from your machine and maybe even install a few goodies for you that you do not even know about. They love to snare people like script kiddies who go looking for trouble. Research without a plan for doing it correctly is a costly mistake as has been proven many times.
An honest, real IT professional would not disclose in this forum the way to hack any system, Yahoo or any other site.
by rvnichols
by radiic
Are you really telling us that cracking mail accounts at Yahoo is the right thing to do just to gain the experience and the knowledge. Trying to hack into an account on a system that doesnt belong to you is Fraud. I think that we all share enough knowledge here. But sharing knowledge for the intent that this person wants is not what we strive for here.
Do you really think that if you were in charge of lets say some email system for your company that you would be encourageing members of your company to hack into it. As a system admin I have the right to try and hack my own servers so that i can see what security holes are there, but doesnt give me the right to look and see what the boss makes or read his personal email.
Its advice like yours that gets the script kiddies in trouble with the law. Just remember what Curiosity did to the cat.
Rad
by onbliss
The cartoon character Dora says "Lets stop and think"...
If he was a real hacker (or a cracker), he would not be asking this stuff. He does not have the technical know definitely. No legitimate hacker would be asking for this details.
Common, if he is going to portray himself as a hacker -especially with websites- he is doing it pretty badly. Common, dont tell me that he could not have bought books. Barnes and Nobles sells books on security and networking. He could have searched Yahoo! itself. He probably does not know to browse and wants to hack. I find it NAIVE, FUNNY and STUPID.
If he can't find this stuff by himself, I am not going to worry about him of being a hacker at all.
He is probably just of college and is throwing his hands around.
This guy is either
1. a rebel, or
2. is just trying his luck, or
3. A egomaniac, or
4. Shrewd :Knows pretty well that
people are going to join this issue
and talk about him. He wants us to keep
this discussion thread alive.
or many more things..... He should be satisfied with this reply. We have managed to bloat his ill-placed ego.
I do not think he can even retain the knowledge transfer some of you are talking about.
My younger brother once asked me if there were books on hacking. I just laughed, I said if you need even this piece of info,you will never be a hacker in your life.
Common guys, stop worrying, relax: this guy might turn out to be good programmer :-) thats all.
by jabbar_2000
JUST CHANGE THE PASSWORD OR BUY A SOFTWARE WHICH CAB\N BREAK THE PASS WORD OF ANY EMAIL.
U MAY GET IT IN US OR SAUDI OR INDIA
INDIAN...
by kevinfred51
by oz_media
I can see both views on this topic. Yes it is important for everyone to share information, open source and tips, otherwise we'd have a million Microsnots in the world.
Your enerygy seems to be focused in the wrong direction though. Crakz and Hakzare fun for games and software licences but not for attacking web portals and passwords.
Get a life, maybe you should focus your energy on learning the proper use of grammar.
i.e. "some scissor" is not the same as "a pair of scissors". I'm sorry if I offend any non-English speaking people, I can't speak two languages, but there is 'Creative' learning and 'Destructive' learning. Crack out a dictionary.
Oz
by onbliss
a needless reference to english grammar and non-english speaking people. unfortunately your main message would be lost among the non-english speaking community.
could have refrained from straying out of the discussion.
by rdschaefer
I'm sorry, I disagree. OK, so English is not your primary language. If COBOL is your primary coding language and you wanted to use C++, before you could produce programs worthy of distribution, you'd have to learn the proper grammar and syntax rules. It's the same with human languages. I am fluent in English and German with a smattering of French, Spanish, and Greek (New Testament). I would not even consider posting to a forum in any language I wasn't fluent in.
A language is a tool just like anything else - use it well or don't use it at all.
Ralph
by oz_media
If you read my message correctly, you would understand that I wasn't "nailing" somebody's grammar. I pointed the finger at what I see as "unconstructive" computing. The original poster had so much energy to focus on learning how to crack Yahoo passwords that could really be put to better use. I also mentioned that I only speak ONE language, my hat's off to those who have the time AND energy to learn two.
I apologize if I have offended anyone, this isn't about being "American", I'm not, I'm an immigrant to Canada.
Oz
by onbliss
Welcome RACIST!!!
Dont forget that the computer stores info in terms of zeroes and ones ( without going into Solid State physics). The zero was discoverd by India(one of those yucky third world countries). Now you use the services of various H1B-visa workers and different off-shore facilities to keep your well-developed society and systems running...KUDOS!!!!
I really hate in getting to this mud slinging....but you as a very true Professional introduced this twist into the discussion. Tell me one sane reason why you had to bring third world countries into this debate. You could have just ridiculed Sumit, or the others who participated in this (including myself) for their individualistic views, without having to show your myopic thinking abilities.
Your tantrum causes me to forget the original intentions of Sumit.
You are such an insult to human kind. Dont call your selves as a Professional even by mistake.
by jazzed up
Ladies/Gents:
Clearly there are reasons to share information and general technical advice. And I'm sure most of us would agree that shared knowledge should not be used beyond gathering that technical knowledge. Thus, a Yahoo mail account is probably not the best place to practice email breakthroughs. As someone already mentioned, there are many other ways to gain this knowledge, and many other places to apply it.
I suppose the last, and probably most important thing to keep in mind here,is not to lash out at people speaking their peace. Rather, I'd encourage everyone to stick to the topic which will promote this discussion forum to a higher level.
This way, we can ALL learn something without having to stray from the topic at hand.
Sorry for the soap-boxing, but I really do like to read these messages to learn, and I look forward to your ongoing thoughts.
by cgurule
by roopesh
hi,
Its easy, but do it on your own risk, or on your own email ids, just for fun..
visit http://www.astalavista.com/ and download a software called Munga Bunga's HTTP Brute Force.. and u r ready to go.
bye..
Roopesh
by pasj69
by alece
by kima
It all depends on the SECURITY implemented and the knowledge of the HACKER. For your info there are plenty of utilities which will erase all trackable actions perform by the hacker... and will even give low access to the network...won't be able to completely track it.
As for passwords, yes you are right most of the users use easy to crack passwords, that's why the administrator should perform a test at least once a month using LC3 to find out how vulnerable his network is due to users....
User names are not hard to get, specially if you include a list of people on the web page of your company. All he has to do is make two list to run with the crack, one that will have first letter last name or first name last letter for the USERS and run the password cracker for the passwords.
My recommendation to you guys, start reading, learn how to hack your system, use Lopth Crack v.3 to check for vulnerabilities on your system is on sale for $249, sometimes you can get a crack for it and have it free, but hey I'm not telling you to crack it, it's one of the best tools to get WinNT & at least 80% of Win2000 passwords if run for at least a day, of course is less than a second in Windows NT.
The information I give out I find in the internet, is not new, I didn't came up with it, but I've learned a lot from it...
by philthegreat
1) Hacking Yahoo for what purpose? It is a criminal act! What are professionals! not criminals! This posting is very crazy!
2) Please don't try or we have to trace you and send you to the police.
3) Hacking can be very dangerous, and very harmful to the IT community.
by dreamstud
by cocaine2000
I think hacking is good ... Atleast the threat of it .. which makes companies or sys admins etc make sure that their system is real safe and so are the people using their systmes.
I think it is akin to a bank not having a fool proof security system hoping that the criminal will have the moral sense to not break in and steal $$.
If the security guy knew of a loop hole he might use it to steal which will help the rest of the banks aware of the loophole or if he will fix it himself and so the other banks using the same system.
Todays internet technology is still evolving (unlike the bank security systems ) and so are the ways to hack. So if there is a way to break the system it should be found and fixed , rather than hoping that nobody finds it and even if he finds it he will have the moral sense to not use it.
my 2 cents
by kima
Wake up men, what's up with you. If there where no hackers you wouldn't have any challenges, if you have no challenges you won't developed critical thinking skills. Are they wrong to test how knowledgeable you are.....
Is very simple people, without hackers we have no challenge, nobody will find out about vulnerabilities, nobody will notice if somebody is stealing, nobody will care because there's no need. Please how many people are completely HONEST in this world, you can probably count them with your hands..
OK, maybe I exagerated a little, but think about it... LIFE without CHALLENGES, what would it be???
How would you learn,how will you develop new products, how would you test them???
SECURITY Administrators will be jobless, they'll have no challenge to keep them motivated, take it as a GAME either you WIN or you LOOSE.
How do you feel when you play a game??? It's fun right, sometimes it takes the stress away, well think of it that way...
MENSA puzzles are the best, if they didn't exist our minds wouldn't be challenge..
CHALLENGES ARE GREAT!!! As long as you kill nobody and treat others with respect you're good...
Yes trere are the sick minds out there that like to do bad things and there's nothing we can do to stop them, it comes down to who you are, and the values implemented on you as a child.....
by cgi¤001
Suggesting DOJ, to get some posters printed: CRIMINALS WANTED... Please apply Second Floor.
This way, cops, judges, lawyers don't loose their job.
Very nice way of thinking!!!!
Hmmm, Nobel Price for....._________.
by admin
hi to aal
all of u have taken this subject by heart and have gone to the matter of moralness.
well dear friends dont worry i,m not going to hurt anybody the tool if i get in future.
and also one think is that i,mnot NOVICE, STUPID.
i,m mature enough to undersatnd the thongs that what is right and what is wrong.
i,m learning the things slowly. i want to say the persons who has told that i will do some thing wrong with that thing or tool that man i have no wrong intensions. do u know all the good programmers are also good hackers.
so all my dear friends i will show that i,m mature enough and also efficient enough to do what i think is corect. All depends on the relative thinking.
but i strongly believe that knowledge sharing is must in this open source world.
well friends i am in open source forge. and also interested in simputer.
if anyone is there who can guide me for the future courses and field in which i shld work .so plz do it.
sumit dil se reeeeee
by dumbdawg55
ladies and gentelmen,
it's too easy to get strung up on who is going to use what information for what. Think instead of the areas that these "crackers" push our industry. We all know just how secure a win9x i, but we would not if it were not for the hackers and "crackers"
for the record, a hacker breaches security to see if it's possible and then provides the info to thereby strengthen the system or application.
A "cracker" is one who uses the same methods but applies them with different morales and ultimately for their own good or illegal profit.
either way our "profession" ( i use this term loosely on this particular BB.) advances and profits, endusers benefit from the upgrades and our kids go to school.
is that not what this is all about?
by gull
>> if anyone is there who can guide me for the future courses and field in which i shld work .so plz do it.
Maybe you should be an English teacher.
by admin
by macd
I'm agree respect your opinion dsmith1 about that this site has been make for professional's and even I have the knowledge, this don't imply that I use for attack or something ilke that.
I thing that yourself must have to learn not for promove some kind of destructive action else for prevent and protect your PC or network.
by kima
Grammar..HMMM if any of you can be thruthful and admit that you have never ever made a mistake in grammar be my guess....
First of all, I'm not too concern about it because I'm not writing a letter to an important person or anything like that, second my main language is SPANISH, ENGLISH is second and as for that I can care less.. as long as my message get's through I don't care, on the other hand if I had to do a report or something like that to somebody else, I'll probably have somebody else take a look at it for me, because even if I don't see any I might have...
Now in regard to me giving out info, the info is already there, whether I give it out or not somebody else will give it up.
LIFE IS FULL OF CHALLENGES!! Do you guys really think he can be that harmful... First of all he started the wrong way, he doesn't seem to be able to research and if he is there is no saying that he will understand everything he gets.
But if he does, then he will be our challenge... Yes he'll probably make you break your head for a while, but if he can get in easy that means there is a vulnerability on your system, simple as that, so what will you do about it.
The real "CRACKER" which is the right term for the bad guys who enter yournet to destroy or get info will not necessarily come to this site, and if they are hackers they wouln't need to even ask the type of question he asked... There is no need to be concern with this one as much as you should be with the real "CRACKERThink about it guys & gals....
by cgi¤001
Never in my entire life, I will give info abt this stuff. Passwords are to protect, not be be cracked.
On the other hand: 3th world countries (as there is India, hosts HIGH SKILLED IT ppl), so dont under estimate those. Racism doesnt belong here, or anywhere.
A hacker is a person intensely interested in the arcane and recondite workings of any computer operating system. Most often, hackers are programmers. As such, hackers obtain advanced knowledge of operating systems and programming languages. They may know of holes within systems and the reasons for such holes. Hackers constantly seek further knowledge, freely share what they have discovered, and never, ever intentionally damage data.
Modern hackers, however, probe the system, often at a microcosmic level, finding holes in software and snags in logic. They write programs to check the integrity of other programs. Thus, when a hacker creates a program that can automatically check the security structure of a remote machine, thisrepresents a desire to better what now exists. It is creation and improvement through the process of analysis.
2 b continued...
by kima
Please let me know where in my comments I've been racist, I don't know.. I don't think so, besides my best friends are from INDIA and third world countries I have nothing against them.
As for passwords yes they are to protect, I agree with you but it is the easy passwords that let people into your network.. for which I advice administrators to run a password cracker once a month in order to maintain their network safe...
Also I know the difference b/w Hacker & Cracker very well, didn't have to explained to me once again.
Scrip Kiddies, yes we can turn away from them and send them somewhere else, that's not hard, but what will keep them from finding the info...which is already out there. I recommend that all ADMINISTRATORS learn how to HACK their own systems and stop worrying so much about script kiddies. If you know your network is SECURE because you've done all the steps require, then you shouln't have to worry about it as long as you keep on with your work...
by cgi¤001
A cracker is a person who breaks into or otherwise violates the system integrity of remote machines, with malicious intent. Crackers, having gained unauthorized access, destroy vital data, deny legitimate users service, or basically cause problems for their targets. Crackers can easily be identified because their actions are malicious
crackers rarely write their own programs. Instead, they beg, borrow, or steal tools from others. They use these tools not to improve Internet security, but to subvert it. They have technique, perhaps, but seldom possess programming skills or imagination. They learn all the holes and may be exceptionally talented at practicing their dark arts, but they remain limited. A true cracker creates nothing and destroys much. His chief pleasure comes from disrupting or otherwise adversely effecting the computer services of others
I ask evry one NOT TO REPLY on any of this kind of posts.
by cgi¤001
Further more, cracking an Email acct, to learn how to protect is, is pure nonsense. As it is nonsense, by using a cracking tool, that the script kiddie will learn anything about the structure of any program.
I did had some cracking tools in the past, NEVER tried them, as the fear to jump afterwoods into the dark side (=> cracking), is a risk I didnt wanted to take. Simply, compare it as a trial with harddrugs...
This forum is not the place for script kiddies, crackers. It is a forum for IT professionals and End Users which are seeking help. Let us all keep crackers, script kiddies out of this forum. By NOT giving information on HOW and WHERE.
Thank you.
by lordinfidel
The correct term for the bad guy's is a Black Hat.
Now it's up to us; the admins, IT Pros, White Hats/Security Experts, etc, to not disclose information to those people who openly ask how to hack into other peoples networks.
We should not support it on any level.
Script Kiddies are the most dangerous of all the hacking groups. They don't understand what they are doing and cause the most damage. Why would I want to provide a tool to one of these people or give them any sort of direction in obtaining these kind of tools.
I say, make them work for it. If they want to hack into someones network, at least do it an a respecting sort of way. Figure out a new way to hack in, not use someonelse's tool to do it.
I have more respectfor a Black Hat then a script kiddie. At least they understand what they are doing.
by kima
OK, are you being honest here...
Are you trying to tell me that through out your career in the IT field or computers you haven't crack passwords at all???
You haven't done something illegal???
Please, I might be naive but not stupid, I havelot's of Admin friends who crack passwords with crack utilities in their companies and here you are telling me that is wrong to crack passwords and that they aren't professional because they are saving your company money and ensuring that your net is secure...
I dared any admin tell me that he has never ever done anything illegal or use anything illegal to test their system.... because I won't buy it..
by lordinfidel
I'm an Admin and a White Hat.
With that, it is common place for admins to get into reverse engineering and hacking techniques. This is how we learn to protect our own networks.
That is a job of a White Hat.
But if an admin uses that knowledge to crack games or software, then it is wrong. Alot of us may have done it, but it still does not alleviate the fact that it is wrong.
There is a time and a place for everything. Asking for a tool to crack yahoo passwords or anything else on a open forum is just pure ignorance.
And since it's my job to protect my network against people like this, I will openly blast them and note their netblock.
by ebob
If the point is to source tools to test passwords on "my" metwork, that's one thing. And I think it's likely an appropriate request.
BUT, when the request is to find a tool to crack PWDs on some other network, then it's inappropriate. The only inference we draw from such a request is that the INTENT of using this tool is to crack PWDs on that other network.
Sorry, Sumit, Kima and all the rest of you. You will NOT find the answers to your queries here. You'll have to go off to some underworld forum for that kind of crap.
by dbgirl
No I have never cracked a password. I have not done anything illegal for my job, and I won't do anything illegal for my job.
"I dared any admin tell me that he has never ever done anything illegal or use anything illegal to test their system...."
No I have never done anything illegal or used anything illegal to test my system. Nor have I asked anyone to do so for me. Any job that requires that of me doesn't need me to work there. I don't actually care if you buy that or not. That includes cracking passwords, pirating software, or any other illegal activity you can think of. Regardless of what anyone else may say, I hold myself to a code of ethics. If that keeps me from making as much money as someone who is willing to do thosethings, so be it.
I have no need to crack anyone's password. Any passwords I need to get to, I don't need to crack. I have the access to change the passwords to any accounts on my network, so why crack them. There are strict guidelines as to when I am able to access these accounts, and I won't bypass the rules for my convenience. That is why my company trusts me with the access I have.
Besides, how can anyone justify cracking passwords to email accounts on someone else's system??????
by kima
You are trying to tell me that during your training you didn't do anything illegal, that you have never ever taken a software home and installed in your home computer, that you have never ever burn a CD for you or a friend, that you have never ever forgotten your password or taken over a network where nobody knows what the password is except the person the left the company???
Hmmm.... Interesting? So let say you took over a network and nobody knows the password to the server? What will you do then??? Re-format the drive, break the computer or what???
OK, I got the point that he shouldn't come to this site and ask for such question, but you know what, is better for him to come here and see the reaction each of you have towards it than go into a HACKING club and get the answer right away...
You see there's nothing keeping me from sending the guy and e-mail with the attachment and saying here is the crack, have fun and avoid this whole mess, but instead I just told him to research and got all of your reactions for him to see. Yes, theres nothing saying that I couln't give him a few names of executives use for that purpose,or even send him the files, but I prefer not too.
Why I just answer him here, so you guys can heat up and he can see reactions, maybe it matters maybe it doesn't, it doesn't matter to me. I really didn't said much, although I could say a lot...
by michbloch
Ok. Now that we're past grammar and past the is it legal or moral we'll get to the real meat. As a support person I've "cracked" passwords on machines before for many reasons. I even have some ver useful, effective prgrams for doing this. Is it wrong? No. I do this for work, and with *NO* destructive intent. Will I give these to just anyone?
*NO* These are serious tools and could cause some serious trouble. I know whatI'm doing so I also know what NOT to do.
Back to the original question of how to crack a password. There are several methods you could use. You could brute force it, or try to over run a buffer (if it's an MS server 8P), or slip trojans around to intercept passwords. These are ways to crack passwords. I tell you this becaus e now you have to figure out how to do them and NOT get arrested and tried in a FEDERAL court. You seem like a young guy to be sharing a cell with vicious killer types. Just think before you use this.
by ebob
by timmitchell
....most of us here would only use a cracking app to find out a password that was necessary and ethical for our line of work. I used a cracking app years ago when I inherited an undocumented network; this was done in the normal course of a legitimate business, and was legal, ethical, and necessary.
The difference is, if my actions were brought to light, I would be neither embarrassed nor unemployed. In the case of these dirtbag crackers you so obviously support, when their actions are eventually brought to light, they get to spend some time in a state-run facility (and I'll be at home in my warm bed).
Now, Kima, what you are advocating is that everyone in IT needs to know how to crack Yahoo mail passwords. I suppose that you are in favor of posting bomb-making instructions on the internet? Post credit card numbers and social security numbers on the message board at the laundromat? Hey, it's all information, right? We as curious human beings have a right to acquire this information and spread it to the world, correct? Give me a break. That's about the stupidest thing I've heard all month.
I don't know what you're upbringing taught you, but as for me I was taught that some things should not be public knowledge. There are people who need to know how to crack Yahoo mail passwords (trusted technical employees of Yahoo). Just like some people (military) need to know how to make bombs. This information is valuable but should not be shared with anyone who doesn'tneed it.
As for your support of the black-hat hacking community, maybe someday you'll have your email cracked and exploited, your credit card number shared with everyone in the free world, and your private information posted on a very public website. Maybe THEN you'll realize that human curiousity is not a licence to wreak havoc in the name of 'experimentation'.
by kima
You know what???
I don't think you have read all my postings because if you did you will understand better what I'm trying to do.
Anyway, think as you like, to tell you the truth I don't care if any of you like my comments or not, we are not suppose to share the same comments or opinions, otherwise it will be a boring place.
My upbringing is probably better than yours, no drugs, no alcohol, no smoking, treat parents with respect, threat others the same way you want to be treated, don't judge by appearance, acquire as much knowledge as possible and share it....
I don't think it differs much....hahhh...
by vagab0nd
Tell me sumit,
Are you really that dumb as you look now?
"Give me a tool... I want to get some knowledge" Ha!
Why give - write it yourself! It's not that hard as you might think, all you need to do is to spend several years reading books, studying programming languages, making your own tools and hacking your own pilot networks. And working as an IT Pro in some preferrably large company.
Or may be you want to make one "famuos" hack, get cought and spend some years in jail? Then you've chosen the right way!
How old are you? 14? If older - get your head off your ass or play Quake and stay out from Internet!
Good luck if you choose the right way.
Vagab0nd
PS: Excuse me my English - it's far from my native language :)
hello
i dont knoe who r u? but remeber there is nothing wrong in technology. and one more thing do mind ur language. i can also send a lot of abusing for u undersatnd. and one more thing u havent gone gone through my one more message thats whyur reacting like that understand.
i willnt abuse at that point u might be older than me but u dont have sense of talking. i believe in our MAHTAMA GANDHI. so try to improvr ur self in life by hacking ur bad evils inside u. u r not suitable for any field .
sumit
Yahoo, As i understand, is an internet company. One of there jobs is to stop 16 year old idiots like you reading other peoples mail. For example If its not worth keeping a secret, it wont be a secret.
During my GNVQ Adv IT at college i met many prats like you. Your not special and the more time you spend searching for solutions, the less likely you are to pass your course. Im not much older than you, infact im only 18, and i dont have a job in IT, i am a University student studying for a degree, and i never met a single hacker in his youth who passed a single qualification. Buckle down to that A-level or GCSE, or your never find a job in your interests.
Good Luck Moron
Phil
by kima
You'll break my neck for what??? I like it when you guys steam up, it's more interesting...
I don't consider myself a "cracker" or anything like that, I love to gather the tools and the info, I like to learn and implemented on my own network at home for educational purposes, if I want to hack an e-mail I hack mine. I like to help people like you make sure that SECURITY is tight enough not by HACKING into your system but answering questions and providing you with the tools, because it takes alot of research and time to get them. Then again you can always buy HACKING BOOKS which will also give you all the details and sometimes a CD full of utilities.
Either way it doesn't matter. Just keep in mind that if anybody got into your network, it won't necessarily be his neck broken, it will be yours for not doing your job right..
I'm not stupid to do something ILLEGAL and end up in jail for it. On the other hand I strongly believed that KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!! and you should get as much as you can...That's what I DO, do I give out new info,the truth is that I don't the info I give I found in the INTERNET. Give it here or not it still there. What each individual does with it is different, yes but you still cannot cover the sky with one hand.
The day you can cover the SKY WITH ONE HAND let me know....
by rdschaefer
What the heck is that supposed to mean? If we can't use the English language properly can we at least agree to use English idioms so we all know what we're talking about?
Ralph
by kima
It means the impossible, it means that there are things we cannot keep away from people no matter how much we try.
It means that no matter if I give out the info or not, the info still out there and it has been provided by somebody who doesn't really care whether is illegal or not.
Think about it? Can you cover the sky with one hand?? NO..you can't, unless you cover your eyes, but that's different....covering your eyes doesn't mean you cover the sky..
by ebob
Can we just drop all this "Mr. English Grammar" stuff?
The Xenophobic attitude expressed by these types of comments is just so damn SAD!
by zcuteone
by admin
Depending on which theory of the process of perception you subscribe to, you may be able to cover the sky with one one hand if it is significantly close to your own eyes.....
Of course, this is a whole different discussion, but it is surprisinglyevident in this thread that ranges of perceptual theory are abundant. The very nature of "sky" may be outside or inside the observer, although I much prefer the universe where "sky" is actually much bigger than my nervous systems ability to process,just as the sea of information is far beyond my personal ability to grasp in whole.
:>
by vagab0nd
Hi, Kima,
Could you please be somewhat less noisy? No need to SCREAM each time you want to tell something - we all can hear you without it. And we all also know that you studied L0pht quite good and will be very pleased if you inform us as soon as you find another tool (visit sysinternals for example and you'll have more topics to talk about :) ).
Yeah, yeah, challenge, knowledge, etc. - you have a good ABC book (sorry, don't know how to call it in English, but you got my idea), but open one secret - do you write all this each time from scratch or just copy-paste?
Please excuse me if I look too offensive - didn't really want it but change a tune - this one becomes too dull.
See ya, I'll dispute a bit if you want.
Ivan
by kima
Let me tell you something I write everything on my own, yes there are sometimes I don't have the time to answer everything I search for the answer and I copy so what???
Are you trying to tell me you have the answer to everything? Please grow up.
Is there other tool besides LC3, of course there are plenty, not to mention a boot disk that will change the admin password...
Do I have to go to Internals, why there?? when there are better places.. don't tell me what I can't or can do, I knowwhat I can do.
Do I consider myself a "CRACKER" or "HACKER", to tell you the truth I don't, do I have the knowledge yes, do I use it NO.. I don't really have the time, I only research, practice at home, and learn...
I don't study computers only either, I am interested in many other subjects, so I don't exactly concentrate in one field...
Do I believe in FREEDOM of INFO and KNOWLEDGE ??? YES.
OK maybe it is wrong for him to come to this site and ask that type of question, I agree, hecould have gone somewhere else. Does our comments have an inpact on him, I will think so, called reverse psychology.
He can get the info himself, he can be a part of hacking groups, but he won't be know how people respond to it, unless he goes where the heat is.. Here he can read how you guys feel about what he is doing, if he continues it is his conscience afterwards.
I belong to lots of hacking groups not a shame of saying it, I see what hapens in and out and I can tell you that very few will tell him is wrong to do what he wants to do... Most of them will encourage him and even give him the tools, I didn't especified any tools, I did told him to research, he loses nothing and I lose nothing. It wasn't direct like OK you get *.exeand have fun...
Think about it...
by rdschaefer
Those of us who have been in this profession for a while are all well aware of the various methods and sites for hacking/cracking. It would probably be a safe bet that all of us have at least dabbled in it in the beginning. What you don't seem to realize is that the rest of us have grown beyond it while retaining the knowledge we gained. Please stop bragging about how much you know, it just makes you sound pathetic. When you truly are a master at your craft, you'll find you don't need the accolades of your inferiors AND that your peers will recognize your skills on their own.
Ralph
by lordinfidel
Sorry for being a dick, but asking for password crackers on a open forum is not appropiate.
And using a e-mail address, It actually borders on stupidity.
Never ask for this stuff on open forums, and nerver use your real address.
No self-respecting white-hat would give out this info using such a forum.
If you want to survive in this buis you will need to think before you post.
by cgi¤001
Kima, walk through the discussion again. That my reply has been put under yours, is purely due the fact, I have been reading ALL posts prior my posting.
When somebody calls another one: indian...
I call it racism, and it doesnt belong here or anywhere else. I took up for the script tool kiddie there OK?
Defending cracking due to security holes, isnt making it legal. I have seen other posts of that guy. He doesnt want to learn. He wants to crack some email. But calling him an indian was and is wrong. As it is wrong to give green light for scripting kiddies, "for the fun of it". He got attention, you got attention... happy?
Giving advice how to act illegal, is as illegal as the act. SHAME
by admin
Can't Cracking be used for good too? I mean, I know that it gets used a lot in certain law enforcement cases and often helps society greatly. I have several rolls of "evidence" tape that seem to say society has put the mark of good on this skill.
I would suggest that both Hacking and Cracking are powerful, yet amoral skills. They can be used for good or evil.
by kima
Mr. GRAMMAR....
Sorry to disappoint you, did you understand my message? That's all I care at this point, I used good grammar when I really have to.
Please stop criticizing people because of GRAMMAR, let it be known that most techies are from other countries besides the US and might find this offending. "DON"T CONSIDER POSTING TO A FORUM IN ANY LANGUAGE I WASN'T FLUENT".... Then why have FORUMS if not to share knowledge regardless of the language....
This is not about "GRAMMAR" or being fluent in a language, this is not to be a shame because you can't spell or use proper grammar, this forum is to share knowledge regardlesss of where you are, what your language is and how much knowledge you have..
Tell me something, do you hired only AMERICANS or do you rely in foreigners as well, because if they see what you have posted here they will be furious with you... I would be...
I'm not saying that all of them don't know how to use grammar properly, but there is a huge majority that are very very good in the computer field, but new to the language so therefore grammar is not the greatest, will that keep you from hiring them>>>
GRAMMAR, uhhh yes it is essential when you are writing a proposal, writing technical documentation, writing a letter to somebody important, but in the forum, please..
Think about it....besides I dared you if you ever said you have never ever made a grammatical mistake, cause you know what even the most knowleadgeble in grammar makes mistakes, maybe you don't see them, but somebody else does...
by kima
I'm not trying to show off, I was trying to tell somebody to research then all of you came aboard, which serve my purpose to provide a discussion where you guys express your feelings and let the script kiddie know how you guys feel about it.
That's very simple, at least he gets to see your reactions, in a hacking group or any other group he wouln't see that. This should give him a better idea of what the real IT people think in regards to what he wants to do...
I didn't give the guy any info, really I just told him to research and yes I gave him a website. I didn't have to start the discussion here, I didn't even had to answer him here, I could have just send him a private email and said OK here is what you need have fun...
On the other hand I didn't, and I got you all to show your emotions so he gets a sense of what he is trying to do is wrong.. Again, called reverse psychology...
Would I give him what he needs no way, anybody seeking knowledge must RESEARCH as simple as that...
by dbgirl
The only software I take home and install on my home computer is software I buy. No I haven't burned CDs for myself or my friends, except for programs I wrote myself.
As far as doing what it takes to get into a server that I am responsible for, that's not illegal. Cracking into email accounts, and getting into a server you own or are responsible for are so different they cannot be compared.
My only problem with the original post is that the person who asked the question was trying to get information that was obviously not going to be used for anything legal. I don't have a problem with someone finding out how things work. If someone asked how to get into a server they had just inherited, I would be more than happy to do whatever I could to help.
I'm sorry if I end up sounding like I think I'm better than anyone else. I'm not. I've done my share of things I'm not proud of.
by admin
The only tool you need is your brain. Use it instead of someone elses. If your goal is understanding, we'll all be happier this way, including you, 'cuz you'll actually learn something worth knowing.
Then again, if your goal is to use someone elses work to get back at someone or be cool (believe me, you won't be cool with anybody for this) or any other lamerz excuse, then go away and plug your request into any IRC channel related to the topic to find someone to bring you into their zombie corps. Don't know how to use IRC yet? MuHAHAHAHAHA.... I'm not going to tell you. Figure it out. Use your brain. You won't get anywhere but worse off with this though. Do yourself a favor, use your own brain and develop it. It's the only toolz your going to need, and definately the only one worth having in this field....
This really is the wrong forum, but if you are truly curious and want to understand, find out what Yahoo! runs their mail on, study how it works and you can adapt many ideas instead of just shooting for the one easy one.
*This next line is for those who dislike my response (if any)*
If this person really wants knowledge, they will probably use it well after working to attain it, maybe they'll even draw a fat check from Yahoo! someday, and I would love to be some reletively insignicant but important process of learning for them. If not, the info is easily attainable, just not here.
by lordinfidel
Everyone has stayed away from our comments.
I'm not sure how to take it. It's either we are being ignored or they can't respond back to us.
I too agree with all of your statments here.
There is a differnece between using hacking skills forgood or mischieve.
To publicly ask for tools to hack/crack a well known e-mail service has to be questioned. It would be immoral for us, the good guy's, not to extraneously question the posters motives.
Like I said before. If knowledge was what the poster wanted, then the appropiate question would of have been, "How do I learn about security, where should I start"
Anyways, my 2 cents.
by cgi¤001
I can not and may not speak for others, only for myself... No reply from me on your comments? Not because I disagree, but because I do agree with your point of view.
Besides that: I do not have the knowledge to call myself a hacker, worse a cracker. And yes I envy (sort of), those who have more knowledge than I have. But it doesn't turn me into a wonnabe cracker, ever, never. Bottom line: hackers are the goodies, crackers belong in jail, key of the lock thrown away. I posted (one of) descriptions of hackers and crackers above. I see IT as constructive not destructive.
It's too bad to see that a discussion like this turns out the way it did.
Sharing experiences, knowledge is the KEY in this forum, as long it is not obvious that what you share will be used from the dark side.
Happy computing!
by admin
I wasn't going to respond until I started reading more of the thread, and I have no idea whether we're being ignored or that we've arrived at the place in the IT world where people can actually get a job in IT and keep things working but not actually be skilled at critical thinking. Personally, I don't think most geeks now think that Hacking is only something bad that Norton Personal Firewall will prevent, but maybe this is only my delusion and Geeks are now believing everything MS and the newsmedia is marketing these days. Personally, I'm sticking with my delusion even if it's wrong. I think most people actually have minds of their own and the ability to learn and grow.
This seems to be an area most people won't touch whether it's an offshoot of the "Paper MSCE" or "Hacking" or "Cracking" etc. discussions that come up from time to time here.
Whenever the Hacking misperception gets to a certain point I seem to find it a matter of honor to speak up. It usually makes me want to revive the Hacking Anti-Defamation League, although I haven't checked on the status there recently and hopefully someone has revived it. Everyone would definately be a lot better off without this bias.
Anyway, I always appreciate your 2 cents and thanks for replying :)
by admin
There wouldn't even be an IT community, much less Yahoo! or even e-mail (Yes, the inventor describes it as a HACK) without "Hacking"
Get a clue, hacking isn't necessarily good or bad. It is used for both though, and like Luke, we all choose how we are going to use the Force. Hacking and Cracking are both amoral, which means, for those that need an explaination -NEITHER good nor bad, not even inbetween. There is NO moral arguement whatsover useful about Hacking generally -only that it can be used for evil or good. So of course can a hammer, you can build a house for a homeless person out of the good of your heart or you can bash their head in, killing them in a bloody mess. Does this make the Hammer "good" or "bad"? ?If it does, perhaps you should go back and watch the shadows in your cave, because you don't even exist yet and won't until you start taking some personal responsibility for your actions instead of anthropormorphising the tools!
The people who don't understand Hacking are just as bad as the Script Kids. I wish both of you would get into the game and actually learn something useful, and yes, Hacking is something useful. All you folk throwing around the term "Hacking" (BTW, Bill Gates even claimed Hacker staus forsome time, and rightfully so, as he actually coded at one time) should look up the Jargon File or some other real IT geek resource on the subject. You know a different part truth than the Script Kids, but you have the same status. Get beyond the newmarketing ploy and think. We have not always been at war with EurAsia either...
by mayur
by tsrl
I was going through the discussions.
the matter is that everyone start blaming others & from real topic its drifted towards idioms languages sentence making etc etc.
I'm also looking for acracking tool to break the password for office files ieword & pst files (off 97 & 2000)..as some of the users in my network forgot their old passwords for these files & now cannot retrive the datas or the mails ...
can any one help in this regard..
pls don't go through the idioms languages etc. from the beginning i'm accepting the fact that i can't compose english very nicely.
zealous thanks
to u all
tsrl
by cgi¤001
goto download.com, search for office password cracking. I even think M$ can provide you with the tools to break throrough the password protection on Office applications. Can be wrong tho.
Those who have nothing to hide go thorough the official channels armed with the right reason to prove there are no harmfull intentions. But don't expect M$ will help ya free of charge, they have policies you know.
by radiic
There is a program called wordlocksmith but i forgot where i got it from. It only costs $35, I think they have one for excell too.
I havent found the crack for this program though ;)
J/K
Rad
by syadm
Utils can be found at http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html
IMHO one should use this only as last resort and never without approval from the document owner.
HTH //Tom
by pokan2000
you people are not aware that English is an incompleted languge.in englandthe dialect is different from scotland or ireland,or india or trinidad.
no love lost if your's any different.
bye ,,,,,,
pokan2000@yahoo.com
by kima
by kima
Finally, somebody share my view...Yeap you got it...
Without "HACKERS" we would have more work to do, and yes they do share their solutions which help us fix the problems without breaking our heads too much...
by cgi¤001
to get into somebody elses Email???
Duh? Strange perception Kima...
Read and reread till you get the difference between hackers and crackers.
I admire hackers, crackers are disgusting me.
I repeat myself: I am not even close to hackers where (IT)knowledge is concerned. At least I will never be able (on my own) to get into the twilight zone to steal, destroy, damage, create viruses. And I will never attempt with the help of cracking tools to do so either. I thank to good Lord for that.
Those who play with fire, burns their fingers.
by kima
Look I know the difference again, I also admired HACKERS but many people insist that they are bad because they are still very naive and don't know the difference....
CRACKERS are bad, I agree, but first of all I didn't said or gave away anything except one website in which HACKERS share knowledge, what the guy wants to do with it, I don't care, if he does something wrong he goes to jail simple as that is not me or you.
Read again my comments so you can understand my point...READ carefully...
There's consequences to specific acts for each individual, I share what I know to certain extent, I told the guy to RESEARCH, this requires patience, which not many people have, it requires constant learning, reading, implementation which not many people have the time...
I could have given him the name of the .exe he needs, e-mail him personally with everything he needs, I didn't... but again it is impossible to keep the info away from him.
Yes I could tell him to join a HACKING group where he could learn the tricks and nobody will care as to what he use the info or not.. Where he would not be able to read your comments and not know that what he is about to do is wrong....
HERE he can at least see the reactions of all of you, advice has been given to him in varios comments as to what is right and not right, that's all I wanted him to see... My purpose here is done...
I still believe in FREEDOM of KNOWLEDGE!!! and I also believe in showing feelings and attitudes towards certain habits when people like him come around...
There's another posting of a person asking for WinXP crack, I have all the info including the Exe, instead I just gave him part of the puzzle... Will he get it, hahh he must be a genious at it...will I give out what I have?? no, that's just for my own educational purposes
by kima
For the record.....in the 2001 Guinness World Records is the following:
The YOUNGEST IT EXAM PASS Krishan Radia Oct, 26, 1991 of London, England was 6 years, 8 months old when he obtained a grade C in his GCSE Information Technology examination in June 1998, making him the youngest person to gain an IT Qualification...
NEVER EVER UNDER-ESTIMATE A YOUNG CHILD or TEENAGER??? This is just one of many other examples that are brainies from an early age... and trust me is not hard to do if the parents play a role on it...I know by personal experience...
by ebob
Get your head out of your butt!
Think of what started this thread, and reflect on the responses. Maybe there is something to this reluctance of sharing hacking/cracking techniques and technologies. Think of it from a different POV than your own myopic justification of "knowledge for knowledge's sake".
The next thing you're going to try to tell us is "information wants to be free".
Bullocks!
by ebob
by ebob
...reading these type of thoughtful posts.
Beats the hell out of "go get learned some good English"! Not to mention "my upbringing was better than yours...I was taught respect...you scum bucket". Did I miss something, like the definition of "respect"?
by admin
yeah, but they seem to get lot's of posts. Can I guess-timate that they may get read and thought about more too? It's kinda funny -like the "Midnite Star" or "National Enquirer" section of the TR newstand.....
:)
by timmitchell
I'm glad to hear that you had such a squeaky-clean upbringing, and kudos to your parents for raising you in such an environment.
However, I rarely associate an honest reputation with anyone who openly brags about having the Windows XP crack anda tool to crack Yahoo passwords. As I posted earlier, there are legitimate password cracking tools to use in the normal course of business, such as retrieving a lost/forgotten admin password on one of your own servers, etc. However, (and read thiswell), there is NO LEGITIMATE NEED to have a Windows XP or Yahoo mail crack. People who have spent time to build and acquire those tools are up to no good, and those people will eventually find themselves in hot water (and rightly so). The very possession of those tools is a felony offense in most states, and if I were you I would use caution in bragging about your 'ownership' of such criminal tools.
I understand your statements that knowledge builds upon knowledge, and that society would not be what it is today without visioneers having the ability to stand on the shoulders of giants by using the experience of our forefathers. However, as I stated in an earlier post, the quest for human knowledge does not grant a license to develop and spread information which can have no legitimate, legal use.
by admin
by admin
SecurityFocus is where I found it, which, while we are on the subject, SecurityFocus is a great info site.... anyway, it's only 5$ 4 WLS and you can get the link here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/tools/1894
and the crack is at.... hehehehehee, just pay the 5$, it's worth it! :>
by admin
is then "incomplete" by your definition unless it is a "dead" language and no longer evolving?
Would an "incomplete" language then be a "living" language?
Just Curious :>
by dmaher1890
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