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Whether this is on purpose or not is of no matter.
"[i]She doesn't need it, I do, but I have my laptop. It being a network program; I need it to function, just disabled from her access.[/i]"
If she doesn't need it -[b]she won't use it[/b] so why would you need to disable it from her access?
You're not really making any sense, IMHO.
If you wish to have restricted access to this program, install it on YOUR laptop, then disable its sharing status. Chances are that your laptop has GUEST status on the Network, while your sister's desktop is the HOST.
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by thumbsup2 Accepted solution
If so, most can be set so they only run the server portion, allowing connection from another computer with the viewer, but not allowing them to run the viewer themselves to connect back to you.
So, what kind of remote access are you running?
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
A description:
Computer>ROUTER>COMPUTER
(just a local, nothing via internet)
by older mycroft Accepted solution
If it's "[i](just a local, nothing via internet)[/i]" ?
You sure it's an XP Update program you don't want her to see ? ;)
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
by older mycroft Accepted solution
If you have already installed this on her computer, why are you now trying to hide it?
Programs of this nature are usually hidden by default.
But you were slightly economic with the truth when you called it "necessary for the network".
All you've got to do is make Windows Update automatic, but of course then you wouldn't get to know all the other little things she does, when she thinks no-one knows. ;)
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by nepenthe0 Accepted solution
128-bit split-key encryption cannot be cracked by a [i]brute force[/i] attack. It would take all the computers in the world linked in parallel array the age of the universe to crack 128-bit encryption.
There are free e-mail encryption programs. The most popular throughout the world is PGP, available free from the Norway mirror:
http://www.pgp.com/downloads/index.html
Although it's listed as [i]trial ware[/i], there is no cost to you after the 30-day trial period. PGP is simple to use, and works seamlessly.
Each party must download the free software. Each party creates a unique [i]private key[/i] that is safeguarded; a [i]public key[/i] is shared and posted on an international server.
Anyone intercepting an encrypted e-mail sees only unintelligible gibberish. The only person (other than the sender) who can view the e-mail is the holder of the [i]private key[/i].
So if you wish to exchange [i]sensitive[/i] correspondence, use this nifty free software to keep it from prying eyes.
There are a couple of ways that a snoop could peruse your encrypted e-mail:
1) Relatively inexpensive key-cracking software is available that can correctly [i]guess[/i] any 8-character alphanumeric password within 24 hours. Armed with the password, the snoop can access the [i]private key[/i], and with that key, the snoop can decrypt the e-mail.
2) Somewhat pricier keylogger software is available that will store the typed-in password and send that information to a snoop:
You can safeguard yourself from the 1st peril by using a [i]strong[/i] password: at least 10 characters, mix of upper and lower case letters and numerals, plus symbols (#%^) intermixed. Such passwords are virtually invulnerable to cracking, but are difficult to remember.
You can safeguard yourself from the 2nd peril by setting permissions such that no one else can install any programs on the computer.
Exchanging secrets can be fun, but never underestimate the ingenuity of a snoop. The FBI has a classified program (Magic Lantern) that covertly installs keylogger software and retrieves typed passwords.
Theoretically, the FBI must secure a search warrant from a neutral magistrate if the computer is used within a home. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution states:
[i]The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[/i]
But there's a gotcha - the 4th Amendment protection applies only to one's [b]home[/b]. The instant you step outside the perimeter of your home with your laptop, you can be searched on the basis of [i]reasonable suspicion[/i], which is a lower threshold than the [i]probable cause[/i] threshold for obtaining a search warrant.
Now that you have some facts, it's time for some serious thinking. If you found this information helpful, don't forget to click the appropriate box below...
Rick/Portland, OR
by boxfiddler Hot topic Accepted solution
by thumbsup2 Accepted solution
... the 1995 in your screen name must be the year you were born. But, even a 13 year old would know that what you're doing IS illegal.
I don't believe you'll find any more help from this forum.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
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Employee surveillance is pervasive. If you don't own the computer, you have no [i]rights[/i] over it.
Personally, I find surveillance abhorrent, yet I understand the need for it. I once quit a job when I discovered that the organization had authorized installation of keylogger software.
ThumbsUp2, please don't confuse [i]information[/i] with [i]endorsement[/i]. I do [b]not[/b] endorse surveillance, have never endorsed surveillance, and will never endorse surveillance. Have I expressed my philosophy clearly enough?
That said, I believe in personal freedom, and that includes free exchange of information. I abhor censorship even more than I abhor surveillance.
If [i]technogeek-1995[/i] wants to spy on his sister, that's his business. He asked for information - he got it. I think those of us who regularly participate in this Forum should eschew character innuendos, and try to facilitate the free flow of accurate information.
There is nothing preventing [i]technogeek-1995[/i]'s sister from posting a query in this forum on how to catch her brother doing nasty stuff online. In fact, I look forward to responding to that query...
Rick/Portland, OR
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What [i]technogeek-1995[/i] does with his own computer is his business. However, he exposes himself to civil tort litigation if he does anything that interferes with his sister's use of her own computer, and that includes the unauthorized installation of any software.
There is a difference between nefarious activity that triggers criminal investigation because of its unlawful nature, and obnoxious activity that could result in monetary damages and an injunction against any such shenanigans.
If [i]technogeek-1995[/i] sister catches him messing with her own computer, she can hale him into court on a number of tort claims:
1) Conversion Trespass to chattel
3) Public disclosure of private facts
4) Intrusion of solitude>
There are other claims that [i]technogeek-1995[/i]'s sister could bring against him, and if she prevails, she could recover both compensatory and punitive damages.
Anyone bold enough to consider espionage by tampering with another's property must be prepared to answer in court, and pay the costs.
Rick/Portland, OR
by jdclyde Accepted solution
as it is illegal access to someone else's system.
The dude is scum, please don't assist him.
by nepenthe0 Accepted solution
In fact, I have warned him that he risks serious monetary consequences by interfering with another's rightful use of her own property.
It is not my place to pass judgment on the character of those who post queries to this Forum. You and I have very similar opinions, but I try to bite my tongue when posting on a public forum.
Some folks will have to learn the hard way - a $2000 conversion award, and a $15,000 punitive damages award. The school of hard knocks provides excellent instruction.
Rick/Portland, OR
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it's unlikely that anyone in the USA would get in trouble for helping a kid in India.
Not like courts in India would have you extradited to Bombay for helping some kid edit Windows policies and rights.
"They're coming take me away! HA HA!! They're coming to take me away!!" ]:) lol ;)
EDIT - INDIANA...geez...my brain has now officially melted. lol :)
Still...it's not teaching the kid what he can learn from MSDN that's illegal...it's his act. Weeeeeeeee...
The truth is a virus! :)
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by nepenthe0 Accepted solution
and so do all the TR participants who value your ideas.
Rick/Portland, OR
by boxfiddler Hot topic Accepted solution
you state that the computer is your sister's. So whose is it, yours that you allow her to use, or hers that you want to sneak into?
[i]How do I disable a program on my sister's computer.[/i]
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by jdclyde Accepted solution
wow, what a selfish prick.
What could she POSSIBLY do with "your stuff" that you are so concerned about?
Hope she knows to pull the shades when you are around.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
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Are outside of the boundaries of moral sense.
It may be your computer, however you are allowing her to use it. This does not give you the right ot the need to spy on her, nor to invade her privacy.
You could logon and insure updates are done once a week.
Quit being a nosy little turd.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
by thumbsup2 Accepted solution
You are showing your true age. Chief Executive, Senior Management, my foot!
If the computer is indeed "yours", why not educate the user and hold them accountable instead of spying on the user. Simply tell her that if she refuses to keep the computer up to date, you will take the "privilege to use it" away from her and remove it from her room. Something that should have been done with you a long time ago.
Geeze, get a life KID!
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
Have you dealt with a 17 year old who thinks she knows everything???
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS!!! Don't you step in after almost 40 posts???
by jdclyde Accepted solution
or taking any other kind of control of the system?
If you buy yourself a clue, you would turn auto updates on. duh.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
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... and IF you want to allow her to continue to use YOUR computer, you should set up specific terms of use which is two sided.
Either she agrees to keep it up to date and protected AS WELL AS allows you access to the computer on a weekly basis to check that she is complying with the terms of use (supervised by her presence in the room of course), or you will remove it from the room, period.
Your part of the terms of use should be to (1) admit that you've been spying on her personal communications all along, (2) remove all spyware that you've planted to accommodate #1 and finally, (3) SWARE to her AND your parents that you will never attempt to do it again.
You've proved to everyone that you can spy and lie. Now, prove that you can accept the consequences of your actions.
by ic-it Accepted solution
What exactly is the name of this program?
You could have a child 13, and a sister 17, and you possibly could be only 14+ years older than your sister, and you could own 2 business ventures, and you could be allowing your sister to live in your home (or you in your parents), and she could refuse to listen to you, but it sure sounds like B.S. ;-) :-)
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by jdclyde Accepted solution
First, I don't believe you.
Second, if you give it to her to use, let her use it.
If you can't trust her, take the system away instead of being a dick and trying to spy on her.
by ic-it Accepted solution
Will not assist you in keeping her computer up to date. That saves you some money.
Why would you make a statement like that about Thumbs? She has never acted nor professed to know everything (as far as I know no one in this forum ever has). Her advice to you has been spot on. The only addition I would make would be to set Microsoft Update to download the updates automatically and allow you to choose the install time.
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Yeah, like you are not a dumb kid, used to calling in his mommy to solve his issues that he has made for himself.
If you are the big wig you are pretending to be, why didn't you just GIVE her a computer? They do not cost that much, and as the big wig you are pretending to be, you should be able to afford it.
If she screws it up, so what, format and reload after it dies.
That has nothing to do with you being a worm that is getting off on his sister. She must be really cute, huh?
If you don't trust her with the system, take it back or STFU. You really disgust me more with each post, little boy.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
It is funny to piss you off.
I took your advice, I told my sister, she says "don't get your panties in a bunch!!!"
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I reckon that's what this was all about!
Your heavily revised Bio has you proudly announce that you are under 18:
"[b]I own a tiny IT Business. I do basic things like networking and setting up computers or printers. I also set-up home theater systems and other related projects. I assist with our Church's Web Team. I also own a DJing Business. I am the primary DJ for 1/2 of my area's schools. I have a small obsession for in-home-wiring. Yes, that might as well be said that I am "younger" than the rest of you; or in other words, under 18.[/b]"
I posted it here so that there can be no disagreement if you decide to exercise your editorial scalpel again.
So you're under eighteen, into in-home-wiring, and she's a College girl eh? JD had it spot on! And you're so, so concerned about her keeping a computer updated that you're connecting remotely. Yeah, right - http://tinyurl.com/3rhsgy - if I'd had the gear I now own when I was eighteen, I'd have been running wild with covert gear - http://tinyurl.com/3e9ssa - but would have had the brains to NEVER ask for advice from IT professionals on a public forum by attempting to kid them on that I was their equal.
I can see this thread running and running as we each think of another lewd and lascivious activity to toss your way.
Wonder what Nepenthe0's maybe got to say about remote camera control focussed on a sister's bedroom environment. What would the FBI have to say about that eh Nepenthe0 ?
I doubt if 128-bit Rijndael would serve any purpose here, other than to describe on a Prison log what your actual crime of punishment was.
by rob miners Accepted solution
Thanks OM for clarifying that as I have bowed to the benefit of doubt.
I originally thought that technogeek-1995@ may have made a poor choice in the wording of the original question and I gave it the benefit of doubt as I refer to three of my PC's with my Son's names as they are the PC's that each of them use. Having three boys I have witnessed sibling rivalry first hand. One day they are best of mates and the next they are at each others throat. I think its called growing up. Number two Son was notorious for stopping AV Updates as it interfered with his getting online.
If I have misinterpreted the original intention, that is something that I am going to have to live with.
I also do not condone the use of spyware, keyloggers, webcams or anything else that would invade a persons privacy or quality of use of a PC.
by nepenthe0 Accepted solution
[i]I also do not condone the use of spyware, keyloggers, webcams or anything else that would invade a persons privacy or quality of use of a PC[/i].
This is True Blue's statement. This is also [b]my[/b] statement. There is not a nanometer of difference in our philosophy on this point.
Rick/Portland, OR
by boxfiddler Hot topic Accepted solution
in a post entitled [i]To cover your tracks, you need encryption[/i] [b]you[/b] give him an encryption tool to cover his tracks. [b]Hypocrite.[/b]
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2530408
Fortunately for you, given this kids age, you gave him the wrong tool for his purposes.
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are all grown up now so I am relying on whats left of my memory. :)
I really should have taken more notice of those US Campus Movies. OM must have seen a few. :p
Good pickup JD and I'll bet that OM was a Detective in a former life. ;)
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everyone knows it is harder on a system to turn it on and off than to just leave it on.
As for the updates, it would run when turned on the next time and does not prompt, it just does it.
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
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... because you tried to lie to us and got caught. You're not Senior Management. You're a small business owner operating out of your bedroom and trying to spy on your sister. There's a HUGE difference between Senior Management and SBO that you'll probably never ever see, if you keep doing what you're doing. If you want to be one someday, then start acting like one. X-(
... because you fail to see the error in your ways. We've told you that what you have been doing, and continue to want to do (with our help none the less), IS WRONG. But, you continue to argue your point... er... points... which change hourly, in an attempt to justify your immoral (if not illegal) actions. You haven't learned any lessons, YET. ]:)
... because you're a "know-it-all" kid who continues to try and argue with knowledgeable adults who've been at this arguing stuff since before you were born. You won't every win, so GIVE UP! :D
If you want the bashing to stop, the ball is in your court.
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by older mycroft Accepted solution
I wonder why ??
Not as if you might have used the wrong Emoticon, there is no evidence of clever text formatting that may have gone astray, nope - no reason apart from spelling.
You are wasting your time kid, in my eyes you ARE a little boy (man) because I am over three times your age, with a lifetime of experience that you can only make up in order to feel BIG.
Accept what you are ([i]puny, p!ssed-off and perverted[/i]) and move on.
Oh and what did you mean to type (but forgot) as the conclusion to the preposition of your last sentence? As it stands:...
[i]"If you have nothing else to do but bash a 'little' boy (man) because he wants to be sure his 17 year old sister updates HIS [her] computer and doesn't treat it like s**t!!!"[/i]
... it draws no conclusion, the punchline is missing!
Maybe your hot sister can give you a few ideas? :D
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
She told me to tell you Europeans "not to get your panties in a bunch"
(I have edited almost all of my posts because I clarify. Someone told me I need to be clearer.)
by thumbsup2 Accepted solution
You said: "The thing is I have NOT been spying. [b]I haven't downloaded yet.[/b] I was just going to see if I could disable it from her use."
The fact that you haven't "downloaded YET", means you've had the intent to do it all along as well as the means and access to do it. It's done... You've spied. You just haven't had the guts to LOOK at what you've done.
You're still guilty. Perhaps it's time to ponder your own actions.
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Had you come to us with the TRUTH to begin with, with specific details of your set up and how the systems are being used, with a request from your parents to be notified when something is a miss, PERHAPS.... MAYBE.... just MAYBE, we would have helped you think of a way to accomplish the task that your parents gave you which would have been agreeable to all parties involved.
As it stands now, your lies have gained you nothing except contempt from the TR community. I hope you've learned a lesson out of all of this. Tell the TRUTH. Always THE TRUTH. Nothing less. Nothing more.
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by older mycroft Accepted solution
[i]Sorry for having to keep quoting you but you'll only go and change it when you get caught out again.[/i]
"Yes I may have seen a few American Pies, but I DON'T BELIEVE IN PORN, VIEWING YOUR SISTER IN 'BAD' WAYS, I THINK PORN IS A CRIME, I DON'T ENDORSE PRON!!! [b]I TOLD YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, NETWORK MAGIC, IS ONLY FOR MAKING SURE HER FIREWALL IS ON, WINDOWS IS UP-TO-DATE!!![/b] I WASN'T PLANNING ON LOOKING AT HER NUDE!!! PUT YOUR DEGREE TO USE SMART ONE!!! SHE DOESN'T OWN A WEBCAM... [b]THE EMAILS WERE GOING TO BE SENT TO MY PARENTS; MY MOTHER ASK ME ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]"
Interesting and also deeply disturbing. We now have the parents enter the fray. You never know, perhaps your local constabulary will allow you a family room in jail.
As for "VIEWING YOUR SISTER IN 'BAD' WAYS" and "PLANNING ON LOOKING AT HER NUDE!!!" - you are the only one to have mentioned that, we didn't.
I always used to tell my dear old Mum, to never go to the supermarket if she felt remotely hungry due to the inevitable increase in what she might buy.
I would warn you in a similar fashion: never attempt to defend yourself from charges of lasciviousness while you are reeling from the excitement of the moment. You'll only end up giving something away unintentionally. :^0
by technogeek-1995 Accepted solution
(one thing, if I know it all, why do I post to this forum and ask questions)
But, Mr.European you were the first one to say "Did you tell her about the remote camera yet ??... "
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2531365
Check yourself I never said anything until YOU posted about porn, YOU posted!!!
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If you think "I know, I'll do the grovelling bit and it'll be forgotten, then I can get back to the nitty gritty ..." ~ WRONG.
You see, you're too dumb to realise how stupid you are coming across as! "[i]I admit that I never was going to use this service in "WRONG" ways... I admit.. ..I admit..[/i]"
You ADMIT yet you expect an apology ?? There's only one person making an @$$ of themselves around this forum, and the Donkey lives in Indiana.
Dream on. ;)
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Can't find it! Rats! X-(
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edit cuz I wanted to bump the post back to the top and make everybody wonder who posted now? ;)
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If you don't know what I mean then the answer is in the negative.
Making more money than we would have done at your present age of 13, is NOT any indication of your financial achievements or business acumen - it is a simple economic fact. Everything today costs FIFTY TIMES what it did when I was thirteen, so you crack open your little pink piggy bank, count out your coin - THEN DIVIDE IT BY 50. The result is what you would have made when I was thirteen years old.
However when I was 13, I spent most of my time in the company of girls, real girls, not ones that slept in the room next door, not spying on them via a remote link. No I preferred the touchy-feely stuff which is something else you'll never get the hang of sitting peering into a murky computer screen.
Next - SENIOR MANAGER: How many other managers do you have? No, please, don't tell me - let me guess! ~ NONE. Perhaps some hired muscle to carry your gear, which leads me to a mistake in your newly-edited Bio.
Surely the entry for "[i]I am the primary DJ for 1/2 of my area's schools[/i]" should actually read [b]I am the area DJ for 1/2 of my primary schools[/b].
YES - that's what it must be, I can see it now!
Yes. :^0
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YOU were the instigator, you first mentioned porn!
[u]Clandestine Surveillance[/u]
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2529545
[u]Remote Camera / Covert Gear[/u]
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2531365
Nope! Sorry! No mention whatsoever of PORN.
What does that tell you about yourself?? ;)
by thumbsup2 Accepted solution
Need we remind you of the order things transpired? YOU started this.....
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2529545
So this is really clandestine surveillance ...
Old Mycroft [b]06/22/2008 @ 04:44 PM (PDT)[/b]
[i]If you have already installed this on her computer, why are you now trying to hide it?
Programs of this nature are usually hidden by default.
But you were slightly economic with the truth when you called it "necessary for the network".
All you've got to do is make Windows Update automatic, but of course then you wouldn't get to know all the other little things she does, when she thinks no-one knows. [/i]
[b][u]The very NEXT post was YOURS, posted nearly 24 hours later:[/u][/b]
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-1035-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=267118&messageID=2530353
Yes
technogeek-1995@... [b]06/23/2008 @ 03:49 PM (PDT)[/b]
[i]Yep, Don't want to let her know. How do I accomplish that? (BTY Windows Update is my cover up)[/i]
[b]This post is what started the entire conversation about you SPYING on her! YOU admitted that you were and answered YES to OM's question about clandestine surveillance[/b]
Now, do you want to continue playing this little charade? YOU have been exposed! :0
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We'd not be having over two thirds of this rip-roaring discourse! ;)
He doesn't need anyone else's tool, he's got his hands full as it is!!! :^0 :^0
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