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Does your organization have a policy for erasing hard drives before getting rid of computers? How do you get rid of this old data? Share your comments about destroying data on old hard drives, as discussed in the Jan. 26 Internet Security Focus e-newsletter.

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by chris.brighouse

Does anyone have a link to the Windows Eraser program mentioned in the article? I'm particularly interested in any disk wiping program that can be embedded within another application or integrated easily.

Chris

by mrafrohead

Other than physically destroying your disk, this is the next best thing. It uses the Guttmann algorithm. Also, it has a feature to wipe your SWAP file on shutdown/reboot.

http://www.heidi.ie/eraser

Make sure you follow AT LEAST the 35 wipe process. DON'T go below that, or I will be able to recover your data with just the simple equipment I have at my house... And I'm a fish so small you can barely see me with a microscope. Imagine what the big guys can do...

Mrafrohead

by tom wind

theres a lot of tools for cleaning the drives... I've found and tested a lot of them and I see one rule: every new recovery app is fowarded by a cleaning program.. both are getting stronger and stronger - but we cant be sure if someone wont use a better program for recovery than we had cleaning. My solution is: get the hammer and smack the drive into pieces (even if you'll destro the electronics theres a possibility of getting a new electronics from another drive and restroring the data (been there, done that;)). A quite easy and fast way to kill the drive is to drop it a few times while formating. Its a good way to get a new drive too - just dont scratch it ;) some ppl told me that giving the drive an electric shock will do the trick - but you have to remeber that:
-you'll never know which part/parts of the drive will be damaged
-its quite risky (especially with 220V ;))
-the drive will look like an damaged drive - the potential hacker will know what happened to it

There are a few other methods (like strong magnets) but they are more compicated and take more time (I still think that the good old hammer is the best solution)

Best of luck

by hal 9000

We never dispose of any HDD's ever. Once they come in house that is where they stay and any computers that are sold off for tax purposes and the like always have new unformatted HDD's fitted.

Occasionally a few HDD's are used by the IT staff as required but again as these are all trusted people who could quite easily get the data anyway I don't see this as a problem. But even then they are wipped with the best wippping software available and even thn are not considered as clean.

I would like to relate an interesting true story here on this very topic. Last year the South Australian Government sold off some computers from a non-secure site so they where not considered as a security risk in any form. They didn't even take the necessary measures of wipping the HDD's but just deleting all the work files on the drives. However they did leave the Address books intact and sold these computers off at auction. This is normal Government pratice and they thought nothing more about it until the State Premier started getting e-mails asking for money.

After a lengthy Police investigation they found that one of these computers had been bought at auction by a guy for his 12 year old son. What found very interesting about the whole case was that the State Government expended more money on the investigation than they got for selling the computers in the first place. Of course they could do nothing about the child as he never broke any laws he only asked for money without any threats and it has already been rulled in Courts over here that when you sell a computer any recovered data becomes the property of the new owner.

Now while this wasn't a real problem in this case what would be the result if a home computer that was used for "On Line Banking" was sold off and all the banking Data was recovered by the buyer who would then have complete access to the previous owners bank details and accounts to do with what they liked.

While this is a much discussed subject here at TR it appears that not many people are aware of the potential problems and even fewer are interested. Perhaps that is why there are so many discussions on this very topic here.

Col

by haveuhadurkandy2day

now i recieve this email after i already sold my old laptop, is there anyway i can protect myself and my new laptop???? please help

by hal 9000

Just replace the HDD and keep you're old one that is the only sure way to stop data loss.

However on the other hand you shouldn't have anything at all sensitive on a LT anyway because they are the most stolen/lost item in the computer industry.

We do not allow any sensitive data to be used on LT's for any reason and even the techs that have to do field work and need to carry a LT with them use a floppy that has the rest of the program on it so even if the LT is stolen it is usless to whoever ends up with it as far as breaking our systems are concerned. They will have an OS and minimal programs but will not have access to our WAN.

Col

by gerra

I heartily agree that there are too many old hard drives out there with too much old data left on them. I discovered that this is also true with machines that are replaced in physician's offices, you know, the folks who are so nit-pickingly careful with information due to HIPPA guidelines.

I recently talked to a physician friend who had just repllaced his computer. I asked him what he did to assure that the old data had been erased completely from the hard drive. He gave me a blank stare.

After I reminded him about the perils of allowing that data to fall into the wrong hands, I got his permission to use Darik's Boot and Nuke on the hard drive. Problem solved.

This could ultimately be a real serious problem for physicians who allow this confidential info to be released without their knowlege.

Gerra

by datacare

I use Symantec's gdisk.exe utility that is distributed with their Ghost software. This utility does a number of things similar to the famous fdisk, but it also provides a diskwipe feature, either quick or to the DOD standard.

I contract my services out for new systems rollout and then retun ordispose of unwanted equipment, but firts run this utility (off a boot disk) on everysingle peice of equipment.

by hal 9000

This would work in most cases but there is sstill the posibility of someone getting their hands on a HDD and recovering the data.

Remember most business place their own markings on their computer hardware and if you know what you are looking for it is easy to find old HDD's from a particualr business and then set about recovering the data on it. After all no matter what you do it is still a maganetic storage device which leaves imprints of old magantic storage on the surfaces whic can be reconstructed if there is a need or it is worth the money that will be spent on recovering this data.

Col

by lpipeon

A couple of years back I helped my Coast Guard unit "declassify" some of our old workstations. The Government regs we were given made the decision pretty easy. Destroy the hard drives as completely as possible. Luckily we had no shortage of guys more than happy to pound them into the concrete. We even used cutters on the disks once the case went to pieces. It was fun.

by jemimapd

how do I get a copy of the article? I have deleted the original email. What was the free software recommended?

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