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Should the government be allowed to monitor our e-mail?Is this a form of Big Brother?

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by mrjay67

There is nothing in my emails or life for that matter that I have to hide for legal reasons. However that doesnt mean I want the govt reading and monitoring my email. If there is probable cause then get the warrant and search me or my email. Now if there is something suspicious and they have some proof but need more then maybe monitoring is OK. Perhaps in trying to find a terrorist, serial killer or some other high crimes. With any of this there should still be a high rate of suspicion or probable cause. These kind of things need to be done properly. No one wants anyone, govt or other wise, spying or monitoring their actions.

I know there are those out there that might say if you're not doing anything illegal than why should it matter. Well its just a matter of privacy. There are things of personal nature that people dont want others to see and it has nothing to do with legality.

If the govt wants to catch people and they say they are going to be monitoring or it evercomes out that they likely are,(with factual evidence not just paranoid suspcion) then the whole plan goes to crap anyway. The whole idea just opens a big can of worms on many levels. Its a bad idea.

my 2 cents

Jason

by maxwell edison

Yea, sure - Mr. "User Deleted" is asking a question about, of all things, spying and secrecy.

How do we know who you are, what you are, what you'll do with this information?

Wait, what's that? Is that a black helicopter I hear hovering above?

by maxwell edison

Define "government" - which branch, which agency, etc.

Qualify the conditions - from "unfettered" to "under special circumstances", with or without warrants, with or without justification, etc.

Define "our" - Who is "our"? Everybody? Specific people? Etc.

Without a clearer and better-defined premise, the question is open to too much paranoid interpretation.

by road-dog

where vast amounts of Internet traffic is ported through the NSA. They have software that scrubbs the transmissions looking for keywords. If a transaction profile has a lot of hits for these keywords, then the "conversation" is flagged for further study.

As I understand it this is legal, as there is no manual intervention until a threshhold of keywords is met. I suspect that a warrant is needed (riiiiight) to intercept and record traffic.

by admin

to track anything going through your network. i didn't realize how important routing really was in the past. it's potential power is enormous.

Of course, "No Such Agency" is not bound by the same set of rules that law enforcment follows and for good reason. If you look at the NRO (whose existance was declassified in 1992) and ECHELON you can easily infer what is generally happening with internet communication. It is of interest to note that while we lay people like to still believe in the gadget ridden "James Bond" world of spying, actually it is turning more and more to the oldest technology- human intellect- which is much harder to track. Odd that a goat herder residing in caves is more of a challenge than I to the NSA and their theirkin, but oh well, I'm really not that interesting anyway! :)

by hal 9000

Governments not only have the right under legislation but have the duty to monitor everything they can. E-mail is only something new as Governments have been monitering Radio transmissions, phone communications {and I mean all phone communications like vioce, fax, data, and God only knows what else} since any of this technology was introduced. It however goes further any new technology can not be released to the public domain until the Governments have in place ways to monitor it. Like digital phones they where held up for 2 years in Australia untill the Governemt had in place the means to monitor them. This is nothing new and you would probably be the first to complain if someone was to use e-mail to get a nuke into your area and set it off. Wouldn't you want the government to stop them? As far as big brother goes well its a fact that there is no form of communication that is totally secure and eventhe humble telephone in your very own house can be used to listen into every conversation with in its reach while it is still on the hook. This is the best bugging device you could hope for as everyone wants a phone don't they? More often than not there are several phones scattered through out the house so it would be possible to hearwhat was happening in the entire house not just one room. The real question here is do you want your government to protect you from some outside force? Judging from the responce from the USA after Sept 11 I would hazard a guess as yes! What you haveto acknoladge is that unless you are doing something wrong there is very little to be afraid of as just how many e-mails are sent daily in just the US? The investigation after Sept 11 showed that the CIA actually had these communications but becauseof lack of resources had not actually processed them.

by hal 9000

If you are really interested in commiting acts against humanity they by all means go ahead and do them knowing full well that your communications are being monitored but not being looked at until several months after the event owing to the duplicityof your Federal Governemnt in cutting funding to these organisations. Simply do what you want to do and leave the country under an assumed name. That way it will take them longer to catch you but don't kick up a fuss when you are brought to pay for your actions after all you deserve excatly what you get! Here is a question for whoever started this bit of stupidity:- Would you condone what Mr Mc Vey {sorry I am not interested enough to actually know how he spelt his name} did when he set that explosive device outside the IRS building whereever? I only use this as an example not all terriost come from outside the USA.

by hal 9000

Your Government has A DUTY OF CARE to protect its citizens against threat. Don't believe me just be one of the very few who actually read the constitution you will find it enlighting. You may even come to understand why the Government who everybody wishes to decry is actually working for YOU! Sure sometimes things go wrong just look at the McCarthy inquisations in the 1940's but they where only feeding the then paronia of the general public {Red Under The Beds} type thing. On the whole things go smothly and you never have a concern unless you want to do something against public safety. Like wouldn't you like them to catch the people who where posting Anthrax laced letters around? It is comical just how fast peoples beliefs change when theyare under threat. For instance 3 years ago there would have been a mojor uproar if it was legislated that everybody who wished to learn to fly a comerical passanger aircraft had to be licenced and listed with a Government Agency. Just how may peoplein the US would complain now if this was to happen? And remember Sept 11 was nothing more thana wake up call it could have been far worse as it was on a very few people died and no real damage was actually done {sure a few fell down} but they are eaisly replaced what whould have happened if they had of been real terrisots and attacked nucular installations millions would have perished and the land would be unusable for at the very least the next 500.000 years so count yourselves lucky and stop this crap!

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