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HI all,

i am working as a network engineer At Grand Hyatt Amsterdam.Basically the guests connect to the net using the wired connection.My question is when the link speed settingof the LAN card is Auto detect or 100 mbps the internet browsing is slow.However on converting the link speed to 10 mbps 1/2 duplex the speed of browsing increases.
Hows that so when i am actually reducing the speed

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by packratt

If your hubs/switches are set to 10/half and the NICs are set to 100/full the mismatch will cause the connection to be much slower than if the NIC was set to 10/half.

Another problem, if your switches are set to 100/full, may be with the cables themselves if they are overextended, suffering from EMI, or of substandard quality (or the jacks as well). This will cause problems when trying to use 100/full but will be just fine when using 10/half.

I can think of a couple of other possible issues, but these are the two main and most common culprits I would try to rule out first before troubleshooting further.

by namitswar

Yes long cables might be a problem.
The setup is something like there is a switch room and from there the cables run to various guest rooms. so i suppose long cables CAT5 might be the culprits

by icmp30

Most probably the browsing speed increases because you're getting rid of errors. Error-free links work much better

How's the browsing speed if a guest sets their link speed to 100/half?

If 100/half works it's probably an autonegotiation problem.

If a guest sets their link speed to 100/half and it's still slow you've probably got problems with the cables. The old cat3 stuff works just fine at 10Mb but not so good [if at all] at 100Mb.

by bruceand

Hubs distribute bandwidth across all users so the more users the slower the system. Switches do not, so all users see the full bandwidth.
You should be using autosensing switches in your distribution, and no hubs. But the problem could be related to your Internet supplier who may have the same problem, which is typical of cable systems.

by tomsal

Hubs, by their very nature are only half duplex -- no matter what, they simply are not capable of full duplex. (remember hubs run at the physical layer of the OSI, meaning they are simply re-distributing a common signal to all ports).

Switches are intelligent, they operate at layer 2 (and above). Switches dedicate bandwidth to each port, so you don't have the same thing going on with a hub (which is shared connections). However it also depends on the quality of the switch, amazing how it may seem but believe it or not I actually came across a very cheap switch that didn't support full duplex connections, it is the only switch in my entire career I ran across that was this way -- I was kind of shocked actually.

So verify your hardware first, switch or hub? If hub, I suggest upgrade to all switches. If switch, read up on its capabilities. In the environment you are talking about I'd suggest investing in a quality switch like cisco.

Further more, mentioning Cisco (I'm a big fan of their gear) they suggest that you ALWAYS use auto negotiation on both the nic and the switch to decide the best speed and duplex mode to run. According to tests that Cisco has done along with just the fact that they are THE authority in routing and switching gear in the world, they claim that auto negotiation is the best way to ensure maximum efficiency.

by icmp30

I know it goes against "conventional wisdom", but in your case it's probably true that a managed hub would be much better than your unmanaged switch.

I've never used an HCL switch so I don't know how good/bad they are but all of the unmanaged switches I've seen were basically junk; good only for home use with their only redeeming feature being low cost.

Look at it this way - what's your hourly rate and how much time have you already spent on this problem? For a business, it doesn't take that many problems before a managed device pays for itself by reducing troubleshooting time.

As for replacing a switch with a hub, consider that most, if not all, traffic is going to be end-user to the Internet. A switch doesn't get you anything in that situation and could make things worse.... think about what happens when you've got 20 guests trying to read their email at the same time. With a hub it's a shared collision domain so only one PC gets to xmit at a time. With a switch each link is a separate collision domain so all 20 PCs cam be xmiting at the same time. But the packets from all those PCs are being sent out the same port on your el-cheapo switch and chances are pretty good that switch doesn't have the buffers to queue up all those packets. So packets get lost and instead of the hardware taking care of retransmissions the software has to deal with it - and software having to deal with lost packets is going to slow things down a lot.

by jr

I've ran into this type of problem with 3Com 3300 and 4400 series switches. If I remember correctly, the problem was most severe when the switch and card were both set to auto. (they kept negotiating constantly) If you by chance are using 3Com switches, I'd recommend that you make sure you are on the latest firmware.

J.R. Brown
iAdmin Mobile - Mobile Network Systems Administration
http://www.iAdminMobile.com

by jr

Just to follow-up, one thing to note, if you use a hub instead of a switch you may incur additional security risk since a hub sends traffic out all of its ports. Potentially, someone in the hotel could 'sniff' the traffic from the other user?s connections.

J.R. Brown
iAdmin Mobile - Mobile Network Systems Administration
http://www.iAdminMobile.com

by it pro doc

A few years late, but this blog is still up. The reason that happens is when your companies infrastructure equipment (switches/routers) are hard coded to 10 mbps 1/2 duplex, and your PC is set to auto or 100 mbps, causes collision. Both sides have to be set to the same speed. So if the infrastructure is set to 1000 MB Full Duplex, your PC environment will have to be set to Auto-negotiate or 1000 MB if your NIC has the option to avoid latency.

by nordico2007

Hi!
have you any kind of syslog_??
because if you have it and see something like

04-09-2008 15:46:08 Local7.Warning 172.16.30.30 92687: Apr 9 15:46:07: %LINK-4-ERROR: FastEthernet0/4 is experiencing errors

it is because you have NIC and ports on that switch at differents speed (I mean you have them harcoded), so put both in the same speed

But if this is not the problem, I would go for the cables issue, I used to have problems like that in an entire floor of my job, due to bad cabling

I hope this helps

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