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I built an Athlon computer for my housekeeper around Christmas. The onboard video card stopped working, so I bought a PCI video card. Now the PC won't even boot up, it freezes at the Windows 2000 screen. I can boot it in safe mode, but that's it. Any ideas??

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by mjd420nova

I have never had much luck with anything
but a Pentium and forget about the on board
options. I've found the onboard video, audio
and LAN functions to be very lacking and
the first to fail. Also found it quite
difficult to get onboard functions bypassed
so I could install a replacement card.
Thank goodness for PCI Express

by jmgarvin

Onboard LAN, Onboard Audio (5.1 my behind), and Onboard Video all stink.

I also agree with ditching the Intel stuff and going AMD ;-)

by stress junkie

I like AMD but I think you mixed up the stated facts. Napa gnome already has an AMD Athlon. Mjd420nova said to chuck it in favor of Intel. So you could't "agree" with chucking Intel. That would be disagreement.

Of course your post could be implying sarcasm with the winky-smiley.

And yes I have to be pretty bored to nit pick. I've been studying the Linux boot sequence again. Repetition is the mother of learning. One day I'll be able to name all of the files involved in the boot sequence for each distribution. The fun part of the Linux boot sequence is that it has several variations. Red Hat is like Solaris. Debian is like the Linux books. And SuSE, well, SuSE has their own way of doing things, but with purpose. :-)

by dawgit

...could be a conflict with two video cards.
make sure the old defective vidio card is 'uninstalled' than you might get a chance to install the one. Also, could be an irq conflict.
you might need to set or change the irq on the new card. Or, new boards are cheep anyway. let us know what happens please. -d

by choppit

You've probably already done this but;

Have you tried disabling the on board video in the BIOS/CMOS or via jumpers?

Have you tried uninstalling the old video device/drivers when booted in safe mode?

by deadly ernest

Like Choppit I think the problem is in the BIOS settings. With all the boards that have on board capability, when you wish to use a card instead you ahve to disable the on board system you are replacing - usually in the BIOS, sometimes as a jumper setting. If you do not disable it the system will default to using the on board capability. Also the drivers for the on board system need to be removed and the drivers for the new card loaded.

Personally I have used dozens on boards with all sorts of on board capabilities and have found little problem with them. yes if you want top of the range sound or video you do NOT use on board sound or video as they are not top of the range. For your average home user the on board systems represent a significant saving for a quality difference that they can not detect.

Over the years I have used three AMD chips and had each go belly up within 12 months - and no they were not over clocked. Yet of the dozens of Intel systems I have used I have only had 4 go belly up 1 lasted 8 years, 2 after 10 years, and 1 after 11 years. Also I am still using some 386 and 486 systems for certain things - one is about 15 years old, and five are over 10 years old.

by frenchwood

Unfortnately, windows doesn't play well with new drivers, but i wouldn't go to the extent of removing old ones, they are quite happy to sit dormant.

I have been out to many an end user where a failed hardware install has been caused by drivers, so first thing would be to remove the PCI and any accompanying software and follow the instructions to the letter.

(there is also the possiblilty that the board is dead)

Although I agree that the BIOS may need setting up, i have come across many an Amibios that is quite happy to leave the onboard 'live' as well as an expansion board, maybe just an odd setting with Amibios... I have never seen it with any other.

Also, is the board a PCI or an AGP? As this can make a lot of difference to the way that the BIOS treats it.

by ip_fresh9

I like AMD but I think you mixed up the stated facts. Napa gnome already has an AMD Athlon. Mjd420nova said to chuck it in favor of Intel. So you could't "agree" with chucking Intel. That would be disagreement.

Of course your post could be implying sarcasm with the winky-smiley.

And yes I have to be pretty bored to nit pick. I've been studying the Linux boot sequence again. Repetition is the mother of learning. One day I'll be able to name all of the files involved in the boot sequence for each distribution. The fun part of the Linux boot sequence is that it has several variations. Red Hat is like Solaris. Debian is like the Linux books. And SuSE, well, SuSE has their own way of doing things, but with purpose.

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by myrondabs

Hi,

I would suggest that you look into your motherboard's manual and clear the CMOS. This usually does the trick. I recently built a PC and had similar problems. After clearing the CMOS it worked well.

by fcleroux

Make sure there are no other drivers installed. Boot in safe mode and remove all video drivers in the 'device manager',

When you re-boot only standard VGA drivers will be used. Machine should boot up OK. (Provided there is not other video card still enabled in the BIOS)

If it boots OK in standard mode, download the Newest Drivers from the Video Card Manufacturer. Do not use the drivers that came with the card.

by stress junkie

He copied someone else in the other thread that I linked to here. There doesn't seem to be any point to either post. I've looked at some of his other posts. He always has a link or two to other sites at the bottom of his posts. Different posts have different site links. Weird.

When he does write an original thought he writes well and makes good points.

???

by frenchwood

of course, he is copying from another site!!!

Maybe he's just a link poster.

Blatent advertising!!

by tonythetiger

First, I'm pretty sure the onboard video was automatically disabled when you installed the new card, or you wouldn't see anything at all. Boot it up in safe mode. Then go into display settings and change the display adapter to "standard VGA adapter". Reboot again (normal this time) and follow the manufatcurer's instructions for installing the driver for the new video card.

by napa gnome

I did check the bios - no shut off for onboard video unless it has a name I can't figure out. I will however try resetting the CMOS and see if there is a jumper for the onboard video card. Right now - the only way I can boot it is into safe mode. I'll let you all know what happens.

by napa gnome

is that when it does boot in safe mode, the actual display only appears in the center of the screen (like when you chose to "tile" a background - that's how small the actual picture on the screen appears). Will reply back after I try a few more things.:-o

by antuck

One other thing to check in BIOS, look to see if there is anything asking about first display. Usually it will give you an option AGP or PCI. If it is set to AGP and the video card is a PCI card I've seen where it will not boot to normal Windows. It will go into safe mode. Make sure it is set to PCI.

Stick with the AMD chips. from the Athlon up these have been solid CPU's. The new 64 bit chips are really giving Intel a run for there money. Just my two cents worth.

by korgmeister

if you can boot into safe-mode, then it is not a big problem.

it would be driver or software problem. i recommend to reinstall everything if there is nothing important on the hardisk

by mohammed ayad

The Last Known Good option is often handy for getting a damaged system up and running quickly. Every time Windows 2000 boots successfully, Windows takes a snapshot of its configuration. During the boot process, Windows presents a message that says Press the Spacebar for Last Known Good Configuration. Pressing the spacebar when you see this message causes Windows to boot using the same configuration it used during the last successful boot

by napa gnome

Thanks everyone for your posts, especially Choppit and Deadly Ernest. I went into safe mode, removed the onboard video drivers, reinstalled the new video drivers and Voila! Again, thanks for all the input!!

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